Silly & serious fashion's.

[Chick]

I have pulled this because it was stupid & crass and has upset some people.

[Sue]

Surely self harming isn't a "fashion", unless you are including things like piercing and tattoos.

[Chick]

Maybe fashion isn't the correct word, fad maybe. What would you call it?

[Robert Poste's Child]

A sign of serious mental distress? Instances seem to have increased in parallel with the rise of social media and the pressure users can feel to live up to what they see there, although a health professional will probably also wonder if there has been sexual abuse.

[Loz]

I was just thinking yesterday, watching an old Top of the Pops. In a couple of decades time, when we look back at the 2010s, what will be the fashion trend that today's young one's will be most embarrassed about?

Hipsterism, whilst the obvious, is not widespread enough, so I'm guessing for men, stupid beards and for women, stupid eyebrows.

[miga]

"Stupid beards" are a "hipster" staple.

I don't think people talk about hipsters as live cultural currency any more, in as much as the term ever meant anything anyway. See this, from 3 years ago, for example, which name checks beards and the end of hipsterism in the first paragraph https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/oct/03/hipster-social-phenomenon-commercial-success.

Much has been written about the way pop culture self regurgitates, due to digital availability and other modern factors (e.g. "Retromania"). And thus, given that anything goes, the potential to be embarrassed by something specific particular to now may not be there any more.

One of the things I notice as I get old is how time accelerates. Fashions are young people's business and they change before old people can catch up, I think this is how youth culture is meant to work. Unless that's changed too.

Self harm, on the other hand, is a serious issue, and should be dealt with as such.

[Angelina]

Self harming is a mental health issue, not a fashion. Are you on a different planet? FFS.

Rarely do I feel riled by a post.

OP - you must be trolling.

[Angelina]

you may find this article interesting. I hope it enables you to have more empathy.

http://theconversation.com/more-teenage-girls-are-self-harming-than-ever-before-heres-why-86010

I can only imagine the effect of the internet, media, future prospects, poverty etc have glided over you and you haven't noticed the stressful world our children live in.

[Sue]

Angelina Wrote:

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> Self harming is a mental health issue, not a

> fashion. Are you on a different planet? FFS.

>

> Rarely do I feel riled by a post.

>

> OP - you must be trolling.

Yes. I wondered that too.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Worth adding that it's a myth SH is a teenage thing. It's done by both/all genders, and some start or get worse later in life.

[Elphinstone's Army]

Chick Wrote:

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> There are two things that no matter how I try I

> can?t understand. The trivial one is some fashion

> of young men to walk around with their trousers

> hanging halfway down their bum. It?s

> uncomfortable and looks stupid. The other is

> teenagers ?self harming?. I knew lot?s of

> teenagers when I was one and never heard of this.

Don't you run a book group? and read yourself presumably? Perhaps you don't know how to research a subject, e.g. the correct use of an apostrophe, or the origin of 'sagging'

Sagging is an American hip hop affectation, which is designed to cause the wearer to look tough and hard, as one would expect anyone in a US jail, in pants too large and no belt but with a swagger and an attitude to look.

Unless of course you are Justin Bieber.

Self harm is not a fashion, as has been pointed out here by others,but a manifestation of self loathing and unworthiness trivialised into something generational which has by passed your understanding or empathy.

Am I correct in remembering that your book group analysed and dissected 'Love in the time of Cholera' - presumably showing insight and intelligence - yet you open this bizarre thread at a time when most people's valid concerns are : no water, boiler malfunctioning, keeping warm, running out of milk and Andrex, staying vertical on treacherous pavements, childcare, flu, getting to work, Dog Kennel Hill, barking dogs, cancelled trains/flights/family visits,

all in exceptionally cold and disabling weather?

fashions

lots

edited to remove rogue comment which was last line of Chick's post, strayed

[KalamityKel]

Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

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> Chick Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > There are two things that no matter how I try I

> > can?t understand. The trivial one is some

> fashion

> > of young men to walk around with their trousers

> > hanging halfway down their bum. It?s

> > uncomfortable and looks stupid. The other is

> > teenagers ?self harming?. I knew lot?s of

> > teenagers when I was one and never heard of

> this.

>

>

>

> Don't you run a book group? and read yourself

> presumably? Perhaps you don't know how to research

> a subject, e.g. the correct use of an apostrophe,

> or the origin of 'sagging'

>

> Sagging is an American hip hop affectation, which

> is designed to cause the wearer to look tough and

> hard, as one would expect anyone in a US jail, in

> pants too large and no belt but with a swagger and

> an attitude to look.

> Unless of course you are Justin Bieber.

>

> Self harm is not a fashion, as has been pointed

> out here by others,but a manifestation of self

> loathing and unworthiness trivialised into

> something generational which has by passed your

> understanding or empathy.

>

> Am I correct in remembering that your book group

> analysed and dissected 'Love in the time of

> Cholera' - presumably showing insight and

> intelligence - yet you open this bizarre thread at

> a time when most people's valid concerns are : no

> water, boiler malfunctioning, keeping warm,

> running out of milk and Andrex, staying vertical

> on treacherous pavements, childcare, flu, getting

> to work, Dog Kennel Hill, barking dogs, cancelled

> trains/flights/family visits,

> all in exceptionally cold and disabling weather?

>

> fashions

> lots

>

> > I just dont think it happened. Any ideas?

And your point is?

[Angelina]

the point is that information is readily available

[Elphinstone's Army]

KK - I don't understand your comment, - the last line was residual from Chick's comment, a stray, which probably invalidates my post so will now remove it, thanks for drawing my attention to it.

KalamityKel Wrote:

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> Elphinstone's Army Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Chick Wrote:

> >

> --------------------------------------------------

>

> > -----

> > > There are two things that no matter how I try

> I

> > > can?t understand. The trivial one is some

> > fashion

> > > of young men to walk around with their

> trousers

> > > hanging halfway down their bum. It?s

> > > uncomfortable and looks stupid. The other is

> > > teenagers ?self harming?. I knew lot?s of

> > > teenagers when I was one and never heard of

> > this.

> >

> >

> >

> > Don't you run a book group? and read yourself

> > presumably? Perhaps you don't know how to

> research

> > a subject, e.g. the correct use of an

> apostrophe,

> > or the origin of 'sagging'

> >

> > Sagging is an American hip hop affectation,

> which

> > is designed to cause the wearer to look tough

> and

> > hard, as one would expect anyone in a US jail,

> in

> > pants too large and no belt but with a swagger

> and

> > an attitude to look.

> > Unless of course you are Justin Bieber.

> >

> > Self harm is not a fashion, as has been pointed

> > out here by others,but a manifestation of self

> > loathing and unworthiness trivialised into

> > something generational which has by passed your

> > understanding or empathy.

> >

> > Am I correct in remembering that your book

> group

> > analysed and dissected 'Love in the time of

> > Cholera' - presumably showing insight and

> > intelligence - yet you open this bizarre thread

> at

> > a time when most people's valid concerns are :

> no

> > water, boiler malfunctioning, keeping warm,

> > running out of milk and Andrex, staying

> vertical

> > on treacherous pavements, childcare, flu,

> getting

> > to work, Dog Kennel Hill, barking dogs,

> cancelled

> > trains/flights/family visits,

> > all in exceptionally cold and disabling

> weather?

> >

> > fashions

> > lots

> >

> > > I just dont think it happened. Any ideas?

>

> And your point is?

[Chick]

Thanks for that link. I didn?t mean to trivialise such a serious issue.

Angelina Wrote:

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> you may find this article interesting. I hope it

> enables you to have more empathy.

>

> http://theconversation.com/more-teenage-girls-are-

> self-harming-than-ever-before-heres-why-86010

>

> I can only imagine the effect of the internet,

> media, future prospects, poverty etc have glided

> over you and you haven't noticed the stressful

> world our children live in.

[Angelina]

Unfortunately, the ability to share information and join groups with strangers far away has brought these things into our homes more than before.

I think when we were younger our influences were more localised and therefore not so far-wreaching in terms of variety/ intensity.

All you have to do now is google any word and a whole world opens up - and when you're vulnerable that's not a good things.

Although what IS strange is that people I know (from older women at work to young young people) is that they didn't even consciously think about it first so it's not that someone gave them the idea and they thought they'd give it a try.

[JohnL]

It's masking serious emotional pain with physical pain - after a real bad day (arguments fights everything going wrong etc) - I can go some way to understanding that feeling. Imagine if every single day was like our worst days.

[DulwichFox]

When I take a long look at my life, as though from outside, it does not appear particularly happy.

Yet I am even less justified in calling it unhappy, despite all its mistakes.

After all, it is foolish to keep probing for happiness or unhappiness,

for it seems to me it would be hard to exchange the unhappiest days of my life for all the happy ones.

Gertrude a Novel by Hermann Hesse

 

[NewWave]

JohnL Wrote:

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> It's masking serious emotional pain with physical

> pain - after a real bad day (arguments fights

> everything going wrong etc) - I can go some way to

> understanding that feeling. Imagine if every

> single day was like our worst days.

When I was going through a particularly tough patch in my early 20's i took to cutting myself as a way to somehow externalise what i was feeling inside i.e.;lack of confidence loneliness fear.

Its not a fashion.

I think the above post sums it up beautifully.

I am 58 now, the scars have faded but i still remember how desolate I felt at that moment in time.

[Chick]

I am really sorry I described it as a fashion. I am also sorry that I have upset people.

>

> When I was going through a particularly tough

> patch in my early 20's i took to cutting myself as

> a way to somehow externalise what i was feeling

> inside i.e.;lack of confidence loneliness fear.

> Its not a fashion.

> I think the above post sums it up beautifully.

> I am 58 now, the scars have faded but i still

> remember how desolate I felt at that moment in

> time.