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[????]

Shameful chants from a minority. I went to the game an old West Ham mate of mine on Monday, solid West Ham from Forest Gate and Jewish. We've always had a reasonable jewish following ourselves (not least the Chairman!) makes no sense to me.

[Alan Medic]

Tuesday:

Sunderland 1 QPR 1

Aston Villa 2 Reading 1

Wednesday:

Chelsea 2 Fulham 0

Everton 1 Arsenal 1

Southampton 2 Norwich 1

Stoke 2 Newcastle 1

Swansea 1 West Brom 0

Tottenham 1 Liverpool 1

Man Utd 2 West Ham 1

Wigan 1 Man City 3

[Otta]

Nothing these morons do makes a lot of sense. It's not like WH is the only club with a bunch of relic dickheads amongst it's fanbase. Problem us they are the scarier blokes, and most of us are unlikely to say "excuse me chaps, but that sort of talk is really not on".

[????]

Otta....an NF recruting pitch selling 'British bulldog" outside UP got attacked in early 1980s....nazi leaflet distribtors were 'told' they were not welcome. If Cass Pennant told me "excuse me chaps but that sort of thing is not on" I'd listen :)

[StraferJack]

I thought Jonathan Liew in the Telegraph put it very well

"Let us be clear about this. We are not talking about a few isolated crooners here. A significant proportion of West Ham's travelling support participated. The press box at White Hart Lane is roughly 60 yards from the away end. The songs rang out loudly and clearly.

Tottenham have a significant proportion of Jewish fans. So do West Ham, as if that matters. This is not a question of identity, or racial pride. It is a lack of manners, compounded by a lack of education, compounded by a lack of fundamental human dignity."

Was disappointed both managers chose to be so equivocal as well

[maxxi]

Hard to believe this pondlife can't be identified and arrested - there are HD cameras all over the place which could be turned around and focused on any crowd section where there is racist chanting without breaching anyone's human rights etc.

It's not just offensive it's a crime and lip reading has been used in the past to ID offenders. They should be ID'd and dealt with in the same way rioters and looters were - an early morning wake-up call and a picture in the paper.

[Otta]

Yep, can't argue with that.

[SCSB79]

Tuesday:

Sunderland 2 QPR 1

Aston Villa 1 Reading 1

Wednesday:

Chelsea 1 Fulham 0

Everton 1 Arsenal 2

Southampton 2 Norwich 1

Stoke 1 Newcastle 2

Swansea 0 West Brom 2

Tottenham 1 Liverpool 1

Man Utd 3 West Ham 1

Wigan 1 Man City 3

[Parkdrive]

StraferJack Wrote:

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> Was disappointed both managers chose to be so

> equivocal as well

Especially Allardyce, who, when asked about the chants by jourmos, said "What do you want me to say?", well Mr. Allardyce it would have been nice if you'd said how disgusted he was with a section of his own fans. Perhaps I'm being naive.

[StraferJack]

Decent column about tv punditry here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/27/gary-neville-punditry-sky-bbc?CMP=twt_gu

[maxxi]

Tuesday:

Sunderland 1 V QPR 3

Aston Villa 0 V Reading 2

Wednesday:

Chelsea 2 V Fulham 0

Everton 0 V Arsenal 3

Southampton 2 V Norwich 3

Stoke 1 V Newcastle 1

Swansea 2 V West Brom 1

Tottenham 2 V Liverpool 3

Man Utd 1 V West Ham 2

Wigan 2 V Man City 4

[????]

Sunderland 1 QPR 1

Aston Villa 1 Reading 1

Chelsea 1 -Fulham 1

Everton 1 Arsenal 0

Southampton 2 Norwich 2

Stoke 1 Newcastle 0

Swansea 1 West Brom 2

Spurs 1 Liverpool 0

Man U 2 West Ham 0

Wigan 1 City 2

[red devil]

Sunderland 1 QPR 1

Aston Villa 2 Reading 1

Chelsea 1 Fulham 0

Everton 1 Arsenal 1

Southampton 1 Norwich 1

Stoke 2 Newcastle 1

Swansea 1 West Brom 1

Spurs 2 Liverpool 1

Man Utd 3 West Ham 2

Wigan 1 Man City 2

[DaveR]

Sunderland 2 QPR 0

Aston Villa 1 Reading 0

Chelsea 2 -Fulham 0

Everton 1 Arsenal 1

Southampton 2 Norwich 1

Stoke 1 Newcastle 0

Swansea 2 West Brom 2

Spurs 2 Liverpool 1

Man U 3 West Ham 0

Wigan 0 City 2

[Jah Lush]

Good article this from a Jewish West Ham fan about Sunday's antisemitic chanting by the West Ham supporters at White Hart Lane on Sunday.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/nov/26/west-ham-antisemitic-chants-sickening

[Otta]

UEFA thinking about dropping the Europa League and making the CL 64 Teams.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20523405

[Atticus]

West Ham aren't alone here, a couple of year's ago whilst at WHL a considerable amount of Everton fans made hissing noises etc, in the past I have confronted these idiots but mostly to little avail. Puts me off going away, as these fixtures attract the bigots. Scum.

[Jah Lush]

In my experience in going to White Hart Lane all these years it is the Chelsea fans who are by far the worst when it comes to antisemetic chanting swiftly followed by Arsenal then West Ham.

[Otta]

Fair play to you for having a go though, I have to admit I'd want to have a go, but would probably keep my head down and not risk trouble.

You really do wonder whether these morons actually give any thought whatsoever to what they are saying / doing. You almost hope not, because then they are just total morons. If they really do think gas chambers are funny, then that's a lot scarier. Either way they should be banned from all grounds for life.

[Otta]

Otta Wrote:

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> UEFA thinking about dropping the Europa League and

> making the CL 64 Teams.

>

> http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20523405

My personal opinion on this (which will never happen)is that they should shrink the Champions League to include just CHAMPIONS", and make the Europa league a better competition. They should definintely stop adding the knocked out teams of one in to the other, that undervalues the EL more than anything IMO.

[Jah Lush]

And bring back the European Cup Winners' Cup.

[Atticus]

Aah The European Winners Cup, Jah. By far the most illustrious and prestigious piece of silverware!

[????]

Oh yes (1965)

[Jah Lush]

1963

[Alan Medic]

Made me check the details but I was at the 1984 semi Man U v Juventus. Was working in Manchester and got a ticket at face value just before k.o. Juve had Rossi, Platini and Boniek. 1-1 draw. Sadly the United scorer was a little known guy called Alan Davies who some years later comitted suicide.