Request for comment: Collapse of the U. S. A.

[edhistory]

This whole thread is a diversion from a serious matter of great importance to East Dulwich.

Katie1997 has hinted at it, and I will now write as much as I dare.

[1] Several years ago someone wrote on the East Dulwich Forum about an underground river that runs underneath Barry Road from The Plough to Peckham Rye Common.

[2] Only a few days ago someone wrote in that other place about an underground river near Stuart Road.

[3] Southwark Council has not explained why it keeps the sluice gates in Peckham Rye Park locked, or the interesting timetable and reasons for their temporary openings.

John K

[TE44]

Katie97 I hope it's ok for me to comment: "Let's hear what, er, UDT has to say, eh, 'New' Nexus?",

Don't you think there are others hurling personal insults?

Don't you think it's strange you only perceive insults when it's someone who has different views to you.

"As it happens, I don't understand the financial crisis much and rather than joining a specific forum for finance professionals (eg experts), I thought that I'd join the East Dulwich Forum in the hope that someone whose knowledge I could trust would join up thus enlightening me in all manner of financial crisis matters (and the collapse of civilisation as we know it)".

Please tell me is the "collapse of civilisation as we know it", bracketed because you feel the people who

are enlightening you have covered the changes you believe will come?

[katie1997]

edhistory Wrote:

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> This whole thread is a diversion from a serious

> matter of great importance to East Dulwich.

>

> Katie1997 has hinted at it, and I will now write

> as much as I dare.

>

> [1] Several years ago someone wrote on the East

> Dulwich Forum about an underground river that runs

> underneath Barry Road from The Plough to Peckham

> Rye Common.

>

> [2] Only a few days ago someone wrote in that

> other place about an underground river near Stuart

> Road.

>

> [3] Southwark Council has not explained why it

> keeps the sluice gates in Peckham Rye Park locked,

> or the interesting timetable and reasons for their

> temporary openings.

>

> John K

John K, I'm afraid you misunderstand my post, I wasn't 'hinting' at anything of the sort. I have no idea about what you refer to above, nor are any of my posts on this thread related to it. The Nessie thing (if that's what you're thinking of) was meant to be light-hearted and jovial and no ulterior meaning whatsoever.

[katie1997]

TE44 Wrote:

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> Katie97 I hope it's ok for me to comment: "Let's

> hear what, er, UDT has to say, eh, 'New' Nexus?",

>

> Don't you think there are others hurling personal

> insults?

>

> Don't you think it's strange you only perceive

> insults when it's someone who has different views

> to you.

TE44 - no, I don't think its strange as the reason I 'perceived' an insult was due to the following from udt "I doubt katie etc has the mental capacity to understand ...blah, blah etc'. So that's definitely not a case of me 'perceiving' an insult. That WAS a personal insult, irrespective of whether I agree with udt or not.

Now did I ever say that others weren't hurling personal insults? But its interesting that you didn't pick up on the unprovoked personal insult towards others on this thread (perhaps than those whose views you possibly agree with?)

> "As it happens, I don't understand the financial

> crisis much and rather than joining a specific

> forum for finance professionals (eg experts), I

> thought that I'd join the East Dulwich Forum in

> the hope that someone whose knowledge I could

> trust would join up thus enlightening me in all

> manner of financial crisis matters (and the

> collapse of civilisation as we know it)".

>

>

> Please tell me is the "collapse of civilisation as

> we know it", bracketed because you feel the

> people who

> are enlightening you have covered the changes you

> believe will come?

No. Short but hopefully succinct answer for you as I'm in the middle of cooking Sunday lunch.

[New Nexus]

?(perhaps than those whose views you possibly agree with?)?

Just because I am paranoid, does not mean that they aren?t all out to get me.

[LadyDeliah]

Ok, Hugo, I said that I'd get some links that show past, known disgusting behaviour by the US government to show why it is reasonable not to trust them.

Here are two to be getting on with:

US deliberately giving syphilis to asylum patients in the name of science.

And on their own citizens this also.

[Huguenot]

And tragic and a crime against humanity. Slightly different scale wouldn't you say? Unless you're claiming that this was also a precursor to destroying the planet and putting in place the New World Order?

Sorry, no, of course you wouldn't say. ;-)

[LadyDeliah]

Lol, I'm kind of distracted right now, but I'll get something more meaty up when I get time. Just thought I'd share those two grim examples of inhumanity for now.

[New Nexus]

http://www.whale.to/b/bay_of_tonkin_incident.html

http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.

968 CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.

1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.

This is not a bash at Americans,

Americans have lost control of America

[TE44]

Katie97 I found your post "Let's hear what, er, UDT has to say, eh, 'New' Nexus?" insulting, as far as I can

remember your postings have in a funny juvenile way been based around paranoia. I don't mind a laugh, but I

feel your above posts are a pisstake, when someone wants to give there understanding of your wit, you can't

hear it. But nice to see you appreciate the nessie post.

edited (typing mistake)

[Huguenot]

No New Nexus, that's just a great example of where you are misrepresenting the facts to generate fear and panic.

Neither of the first two tests were of harmful bacteria, and it's necessary to investigate to the possible effects of the release of harmful bacteria in this way. The final one is just an attack on a rather shameful clinical test, not quite on the scale of the syphilis experiment.

Do you recognize that the essence of your complaint is that the US government did not give the public the full picture, when you deliberately attempt to disguise the full picture from the readers of this forum?

I'm interested if you plan to apologize for the children that died in the UK after the outrageous MMA scare distributed by conspiracy theorists scared mothers into failing to vaccinate their children?

No, I thought not.

You talk about America having lost control (as if it's now), and then cite two examples almost half a century ago and one two decades ago.

Must try harder.

[TE44]

A vaccine/immunization interview with Philip DAY.

[New Nexus]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> No New Nexus, that's just a great example of where

> you are misrepresenting the facts to generate fear

> and panic.

>

> Neither of the first two tests were of harmful

> bacteria, and it's necessary to investigate to the

> possible effects of the release of harmful

> bacteria in this way. The final one is just an

> attack on a rather shameful clinical test, not

> quite on the scale of the syphilis experiment.

>

> Do you recognize that the essence of your

> complaint is that the US government did not give

> the public the full picture, when you deliberately

> attempt to disguise the full picture from the

> readers of this forum?

>

> I'm interested if you plan to apologize for the

> children that died in the UK after the outrageous

> MMA scare distributed by conspiracy theorists

> scared mothers into failing to vaccinate their

> children?

>

> No, I thought not.

>

> You talk about America having lost control (as if

> it's now), and then cite two examples almost half

> a century ago and one two decades ago.

>

> Must try harder.

I do not remember posting about MMA, maybe you could expand on this accusation or is this one of your, guilt by association - that you are so readily happy to thro at people.

[ibilly99]

Katie you will need to take some intelligence pills if you are to continue contributing to this thread. Personally I wouldn't bother.

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10899/1129995500-toostupid.jpg

[katie1997]

TE44 Wrote:

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> Katie97 I found your post "Let's hear what, er,

> UDT has to say, eh, 'New' Nexus?" insulting, as

> far as I can

TE44 - fair enough if you found that post of mine insulting, however, it was in response to Nexus' remarks. I don't think anyone takes kindly to unprovoked, personal insults such as the one referring to whether I have the mental capacity to understand something or not.

> remember your postings have in a funny juvenile

> way been based around paranoia. I don't mind a

> laugh, but I

>

> feel your above posts are a pisstake, when someone

> wants to give there understanding of your wit, you

> can't

>

> hear it. But nice to see you appreciate the nessie

> post.

>

> edited (typing mistake)

Oh, I do hear it. Loud and clear. And by the way, whilst I appreciate you are entitled to your opinion, I find your remarks insulting too.

[katie1997]

Thanks ibilly99 - wise words indeed. (tu)

[LadyDeliah]

The UK government lied about their involvement in Extraordinary Rendition too.

And here .

[Huguenot]

Sorry, MMR, not MMA. Typo

The usual scare story circulated by bullshitters looking for attention. In this case claiming that the MMR vaccine caused autism and it was only being distributed to save the government money.

Dead kids and permanent disfigurements created by the conspiracy theory shitheads.

[TE44]

A video on the history and todays vaccinations. yes right up to now,there are many people who absolutely feel they are

protecting there children, not having then vaccinated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ulAX_MLLhY

[New Nexus]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> Sorry, MMR, not MMA. Typo

>

> The usual scare story circulated by bullshitters

> looking for attention. In this case claiming that

> the MMR vaccine caused autism and it was only

> being distributed to save the government money.

>

> Dead kids and permanent disfigurements created by

> the conspiracy theory shitheads.

OK, MMR where did I post about this?

Potty mouth.

[Huguenot]

I'm sorry LD, but none of these are on a par with claiming that the government killed 3,000 of its own citizens to bag some cash and hide some documents.

And let's not forget that 911 is being used as an example to prove that there is a New World Order out there determine to bankrupt the world and starve and enslave the citizens.

Rendition - nothing to do with it at all. That's the intelligence services in a time of war.

Not saying it's not bad - just saying it has nothing to do with the premise of this thread.

[LadyDeliah]

I'm just putting up blatant cases of disgusting behaviour by our governments which they have lied about.

I'm not really into the New World Order thing, because I don't think they are smart enough to control everything to that extent, but I would be surprised if they didn't have long term plans on how to best protect their interests to the detriment of all us little folk.

If that involved killing a few thousand people to introduce draconian laws then I don't think they'd be too worried, after all the loss of life in Afghanistan and Iraq is not something they are overly concerned about. However, I am not sure the evidence that happened is clear. It's hard to make sense of what actually happened because there is a lot of contradictory 'evidence' about. So I'm staying neutral on that until something more substantial turns up.

[LadyDeliah]

And here is something about the money made by private companies for the torture flights - paid for by the US tax payer of course.

[Huguenot]

Well, let's be clear, there is no evidence at all that it was a conspiracy. There is enormous amounts of evidence that it wasn't.

If you're still sitting On the fence it's because you want to, not because there's a problem with the evidence.

That's like me saying I'm on the fence about Jupiter being made by mice out of playdoh.

[Huguenot]

What has the price got to do with anything?