E.D.Station controlled parking zone

[Otta]

Because of the way in which he tried to mislead both the audience and his fellow councillors tonight I feel he should stand down tomorrow and apologise to his constituents.

Why can't you at least be honest, and admit that it's nothing to do with the CPZ, but rather BECAUSE you have a very very boring personal gripe against JB.

Take it somewhere else, it's dull.

[first mate]

I agree with peckamboy, time for some constructive thinking.

I too suspect that James made some kind of promise to those residents suffering on Derwent Grove and this might explain his apparent tunnel vision last night.

As an aside I happened to walk through Derwent Grove this morning and was somewhat suprised to find it densely parked by with 5 spaces available (10am). Perhaps it was a coincidental blip.

Anyhow, it is important that some way is found to alleviate the parking problem for those closest to the station. I wondered if uncontrolled and free marked out parking spaces might help? In that it might ensure the maximum amount of cars can fit onto the street at any given time? Of course, it might make it worse- has anyone done the maths on this? Could the street be made no entrance at the station end, routing non resident parkers round closer to the hospital where some kind of cheap parking deal might be effected for commuters?

Just seen Peckham boy also suggests one way streets. Worth considering?

[fazer71]

I've got the alternative..

An RPA

Residents Parking Areas

It would involve residents only being permited to park in other streets not their own.

Non residents would be able to park anywhere they liked

Lets get some support for this?

Do I hear any objections to an RPA?

It?ll work I?m convinced, I know I?m a dreamer and my dreams might be other?s nightmares. But hey ?..

You can?t knock a good idea .

Don?t go calling it a Right Prats Alternative ok?.

[fazer71]

Another option we could look at.

http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/double-parking-nightmare.jpg

and another

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_y8qhm316y84/Re3j3LDt5bI/AAAAAAAAAFk/BGy_rk1KTFU/s400/car-parking.jpg

[buddug]

She'llsurvive wrote: "The whole debate and 47 pages all with significant amounts of vitriol leaves me much sadder about my neighbourhood and those who have been happy to stand behind such aggressive behaviour supposedly in the name of democracy."

I'm sorry you feel like that, she'llsurvive. For me, last night made me even prouder of my neighbourhood, the way local businesses and residents all came together, minus a handful of people, to fight for East Dulwich and its uniqueness and to stop it from being turned into Camberwell high street. It was a show of real community co-operation and power.

And it was very much a case of fighting for democracy, something the yes vote councillors rejected, astoundingly (ironic, considering they call themselves LibDems).

But democracy also includes, thank God, freedom of speech, and the right to criticise our representatives when they fall short, especially when they resort to lying to their constituents and fellow councillors, dissembling and going so far as to dismiss the majority vote simply on the basis that there was such a low voter turnout. I wonder if they would do the same in a General Election if their party was voted in with such an overwhelming majority but with an equally low turnout.

But it's all over now - except for those in Derwent of course, although they have now received an assurance that there will be a concerted attempt to find another solution to their problems - and we can all go back to being nice again.

[buddug]

I may not agree with you on this issue fazer71, but I like your sense of humour! :))

(There, She'llsurvive, I've started already!)

[fazer71]

I'll quote a good friend who works opposite Kings College Hospital.

"If you are surrounded by madness you really need a good sense of humour"

[Huguenot]

"the way local businesses and residents all came together... to fight for East Dulwich and its uniqueness and to stop it from being turned into Camberwell high street"

Have you been drinking?

You know it was about the CPZ yes and not opening a McDonalds?

[buddug]

Absolutely, fazer71. That's how the majority of us felt last night, too!

[Huguenot]

You felt that having a CPZ was going to open the floodgates to McDonalds and Rumbelows?

[buddug]

No, Huguenot. I was responding to fazer71's gentle dig. Do pay attention.

[Gidget]

Someone who has a business in Camberwell told me he pays ?600 per car in order to park in two streets nearby. Could something done for residents on streets like Zenoria, Tintagel and Derwent? Something like forcing people like John Alan Flowers, and estate agents, like Foxtons, who have numerous or large vehicles, to pay for parking their vehicles over the amount of say two, for example, without imposing the whole CPZ thing on residents. Perhaps Southwark will now start to counsult on the streets off Northcross Road like Nutfield and Archdale who no doubt suffer badly from parking problems, in the main I would guess from estate agents. As has already been mentioned, Goose Green School, GM Hairdressers and other businesses in the Grove Vale area no doubt contribute to perceived parking problems.

[Loz]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> You felt that having a CPZ was going to open the

> floodgates to McDonalds and Rumbelows?

Rumbelows? You've been out the country too long, Hugo. You're a couple of decades out on the news - they went belly up years ago.

Did you know that Marathons are now called Snickers, too? :))

[Otta]

And Opal Fruits are Starburst.

[fazer71]

http://gtalfaromeo.co.uk/images/391914_2691920906157_1500563577_2809931_6359898_n.jpg

Nigella lives in a CPZ

Gillian doesn't.

I rest my case too.

[Penguin68]

Nigella lives as the wife of a multi-millionaire in a multi-milion pound house with drivers and (I bet) garage parking. I think the issues of their respective diets (the point of the original picture article) is much more to the point.

One might just as well say Nigella is Jewish and Gillian isn't, or Nigella is a brunette and Gillian isn't. I rest my case.

Can we close this thread now, the battle is won. The initiating concern - pressure on parking in the area caused however is still an issue, and the unhappiness of the pro-CPZ party - even if the anti's didn't think a CPZ was a good solution, is still real. Perhaps a new thread, around parking issues, losing the bitterness and back-biting of this one, is now called for.

[fazer71]

Aiiii

I don't think it's the diet either must be the CPZ.

Yes let's move forward with a new thread.

Up up and away.....

http://www.totalliftingsolutions.co.uk/Assets/Images/Case%20Study%20Images/Underground-Lift/home-page.jpg

[puzzled]

good grief. james barber turns out to be a duplicitous tosspot. whodathoughtit!

[fazer71]

http://www.qortuba.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/red-card.jpg

[buddug]

I think picture posts are the way to go, fazer!

[fazer71]

Yep

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ekxUDFcR-WA/TVUeoTvAVbI/AAAAAAAAAcY/c8woTKASk_g/s1600/Mark_Mumford_-_Nothing_Left_To_Say%2B%25281%2529.jpg

[ed_pete]

Giles -

I was unsure what Gerrymandering is, so I Googled it and it seems to be about altering electoral boundaries to gain a favourable outcome for the ruling political party. I'm not sure how introducing a CPZ constitutes altering electoral boundaries - can you explain how James Barber has done this or is there an alternative meaning ?

[fazer71]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

[davidh]

ed_pete, you have to accept that there is no such thing as being unfair to james barber. it just isn't possible.

[gsirett]

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