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first mate that is an interesting way to look at things .. "Let me see I'll do what my neighbours would like not what I'm entitled to do." WOW Edit to add Maybe I should ask my neighbours what colour they'd like me to chose for my next car, I could take them along to the car showroom when I'm selecting wheel style and body colour and interior colours style 4x4 estate or sports car and the particular model and have them decide with me? Maybe that's taking things a little too far maybe not far enough freedom isn't what you think it is IS it!

Excellent appraisal. Only Problem These NIMBY lunatics don't care about bad will. They'd rather shoot themselves plus everyone else in the foot and add to the cost lengthen the time and reduce the quality housing for all concerned to the detriment of all society. The system is not fit for the purpose it was created for, its purpose now appears to be job creation at the expense to all who don't work the system. The OP is typical of the confusion and resentment created by our dysfunctional planning system.

Crackpot really you have such a crude mind. ;)

I'll give you a clue because I feel sorry for people like you. What you at starts with a c and end with a t I'll put money on you not getting it lol

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't be bothered to read that. It's too long > and it won't make any sense anyway. > > > Westerley winds all week. Enjoy. I think that confirms exactly what you are.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > And you are incapable of seeing the irony in your > position. There is no irony in my position! Even after I have explained the considerable differences you continue to confuse two completely different issues! Weird & your mates are supporting you haha. What is relevant is the help given. We come onto forums like this to seek advice, some sympathy, discover if others are suffering with the same issue and look for potential ways to deal with our issues in the hope of finding a sensible solution. We do not expect to be mislead receive idiotic advice so when that happens those who don't understand deserve to be shown up for their idiocy. On this thread I have given clear advice (NOT-disingenuous) based on first hand knowledge and first hand experience in the hope it might help the OP, she has bizarrely take my advice and general comments as a personal attack and rather than question me she sent me an abusive PM. I found that quite disgusting very offensive & totally unnecessary. Now you and others want to join in and make me out to be a bad person, well good for you :) Spitting out my dummy on the Aircraft noise thread due to idiots telling me to move when I had clearly stated I had no intention of moving, does not compare to me suggesting the same to the OP in this thread who has clearly stated she's old doesn't have much money is finding the thought of a few months building work and the sight of a new wall in her rear garden something which she believes will make her life a complete misery. I still maintain my advice to get her neighbor to give her ?3,000 (Rather than give it to some tw?t with a camera and nothing more to offer than is already offered in law) was perfectly sound advice and ?3,000 would have perhaps given her the chance to go and sit in the sun or on a cruise for a month and avoid the worst of the building works. Others are happy to enforce her misery with idiotic advice, disingenuous sympathy pointing her towards difficulty rather a realistic solution. Hey fine if you'd rather take the advice that confirms your fears not so good if you want an actual solution. We're all different, personally I'd rather get the truth after I've had a good old moan, rather than a load of platitudes. On the Aircraft noise thread I've mainly been told to move along there's no issue, which is even more bizarre! & annoying !

bob you have the first bit correct not the last on logic that's a complete fail Comparing aircraft noise to Building works can only be comparable to living next door to Diyers refurbishing their home over a lifetime creating dust mess & noise every day 7 days a week from 5.30 am until midnight for the rest of their and their children's lives except on days where the wind blows in a different direction. I'm not poor not old and 100% not a nimby, moreover I wouldn't wish my issues on anyone else. Using your logic I guess the OP should plough a load of time and effort into resolving the issues they have with their neighbours plans and building work throw themselves 100% into legal technical and environmental efforts to stop them carrying out their building works, with the logical conclusion that will make them better and resolve their problem and difficulties? Hahah now that is deranged and obsessional & we all know that's where they're headed because they listen to fvckwit comments and fvckwit advice. Pure comedy.

I'm absolutely not directing my fvckwit comments at any one individual it's broad and IMHO totally justified. Anyone with an ounce of common sense & the ability to be objective can see the fvckwits (many politically motivated others are ignorant living in fairyland suffering from cognitive dissonance) for what they are and how they promise they can help, when actually all they do is feed the bullsh$t machine and encouraging others (the na?ve the sad nasty luddites) to belief they are correct to attempt to deny others their legal rights and the opportunity within the rules to develop their homes and improve their lot. What else would you call these nasty little sh$ts?

I'm not a troll troll One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument I've simply stated facts nothing trolly HAHAHAHA Maybe you?d prefer if a local councillor got involved? Then the local politician would have the opportunity to create an illusion they would make zero difference, all they would actually do raising their own agenda ?helping? locals against the ?terrible? development of other people?s homes. Illusions Including the illusion / insult that I?m a troll. LOL

Yes first mate It's doom doom doom Oppressing the poor and the elderly Funny lol Try to build a house you can?t, try to build an extension you can?t, try to do anything exciting you can?t try to say something positive and progressive you can?t without some sad F?CKwit who has no money is elderly or just a regular NIMBY moron they are fuelled by the bull S$it hangers on (all on a nice little earners). The OP SM is falling into the trap of believing she will be able to stop or change what her neighbour has been given in planning. OP Don?t be fooled into believing you can change anything because if they have planning then all you will do is lengthen the problem build up you own hopes where you have no chance. I have first hand experience of this when I lived in a flat in Clapham my neighbours were up in arms all wasting time and money on meetings and so much effort trying to stop another neighbour from extending their home. Sadly I know once you have it in your head and you think you can make a change little will stop you I?ve seen it before. It's a form of cognitive dissonance. You will argue the light issue from the extension and loft will cause your rear bedroom :the one you never use in the daytime: and the bathroom :which you always turn the lights on so you can look at your face in the mirror: will have 0.0003% less light due to a shadow five - fifteen foot away ? you will drive yourself insane have sleepless nights drive your partner equally insane if you have one .. you may not by the end .. you will drive your fiends & some on here & maybe anyone else who will listen to you .. potty and bore them silly .. It will all be wasted effort, wasted time, lots of mental anguish, and you will put yourself through all that to achieve the Sq root of nothing. In Clapham I went through it vicariously, saw first hand how others fuelled by their own ignorance, arrogance and blind selfishness drove themselves crazy. Hysterical but true. Same thing has happened on the M&S thread so many people so up themselves they have achieved nothing other than making themselves upset and a also little more crazy. Self inflicted. Maybe sell up and move on? Sometimes these things come along at just the right time for the poor and elderly to get somewhere they?re never going to be a need to become a NIMBY ? the isle of Skye maybe? As a humanist my advice is/was genuine. I hope the stress doesn't cause any lasting issues, I hope you don't fall for spending money (you don't sound like you have money to spare) on this. No need to pm me another thank you message ;)

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I did nothing of the sort! Read back on my posts I didn't deserve a disgusting pm If he/she took my posts in that way there is still no justification in insulting me via pm or otherwise. Ffs disgusting

Really ! I'm not the one calling someone a @#$%& arsehole

soyamocha3 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In case you did not get that the first time - you > really are a @#$%& arsehole soyamocha3 in case you did not get that the first time Satanic Forum Rules ?Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked. ?Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them. ?When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there. ?If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

As they say no good deed ever goes unpunished lol

Is it just me or do others get annoyed when .. You go out of your way to give advice when it's requested and the individual who you've provided said advice disappears without returning to the thread to thank or let those who helped know how they got on? Maybe just me? Such bad manners IMHO :) ! Oh well Users all over the place, sad silly people I guess and you don't know until you've gone to the trouble of passing on your hard earned advice and researched some information for those who are out of their depth and in "big" trouble. ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let's be clear if you ask for help on a public forum you will get all the help you need and some you don't that's the nature of public forums.

Hey soyamocha3 Thanks for sending me a PM calling me a f$cking ar?ehole. It was a pleasure helping you with this very worrying situation. C you next Tuesday ;)

Hey soyamocha3 Have they started which way did it go? Two surveyors and then they selected a Third surveyor as per Daft Legislation? Or did you get a free holiday out of it whilst keeping every one of your rights (the rights you were never going to lose) as a adjoining neighbour? #CrazyLawsMakingExpertsRichForNothing

^ this

Labour councillors using "affordable" homes as political clap trap fake promises housing crisis Sadiq Kahn for mayor all complete blocks all created to sound good get votes. Hahahaha Sheeple

4 years and it's not built !!!!!!!!! Great stuff

Yea let's make the planning system really really complicated let's charge a section 106 a section 706 and a section #bonkers3464567755 Add some extra level of extra complication That will result in more homes.. Not . No wonder we're struggling . All the proof anyone with any common sense "hard to find on here" need do is see the timeline of this thread and work out what that has meant for more homes and you get your answer. 😁 keep living your parallel reality.

Ffs that's exactly what I said !!! Developers will always pay more!!!;;!!! mikeb is that a sarcastic will done Londonmix for saying the opposite?? Bizarre

LondonMix Yes that?s a long way of saying ? X Land value is based on what Y development would be worth once built on X land? so working backwards from Y you get the value of X including all factors costs etc etc. So in your example of 100 homes 30 must be affordable X price of land value is the difference between 100 non ?affordable? homes and 70 non ?affordable? and 30 ?affordable? which you believe will results in the value of X being lower (read below for why that never happens) what happens is either developer does not buys X land because it would be unprofitable = no homes or the developer sits on X land until 100 non ?affordable? homes can be build or an alternative makes a profit. This thread shows the results = fewer more expensive homes due to a slower process. WHY is this almost always the case ? Answer Because of human nature the optimism with the developer ALWAYS results in developers paying X for Y100 non ?affordale? homes and NEVER paying X-30 for Y70 non affordable and Y30 the ?affordable? outcome. Anyone who?s followed this thread will see that is exactly what happened here. You conveniently discount this reality. Send me all links to as many academic expert calculations and papers as you like the reality is once human nature is added into the mix house prices and land values take on a life of their own the result as we see in developments like this and others all over the UK always play out like this one. If your academic studies worked we would live in a perfect world but we don?t we live in the reality of human nature and that human nature is to expect the best possible outcome so the developers out bid others and pay too much and that results in a need to get the most from the system hence the playing and long slow process. You see it as developers playing for more. I see it as a bad system at fault because it isn?t clear it creates confusion loopholes so allows developers to play the ?system? the system is a joke it?s open to manipulation blame the system along with the political BS that is ?affordable homes? pure political garbage. Its only purpose is to allow politicians another sound bite and deceive voters by masking reality. Yes there?s an argument to say if it was freed up the developers would still want more and more. I disagree if the rules are clear more opportunity and more land would become available the confusion causes price increases and price spikes. Yes ?houses are expensive in London because lots of people want to live here? also because there?s insufficient supply densities are low / land is inefficiently used. Our Victorian terraced houses are inefficiently dense when compared to Parisian courtyards but they could be efficiently developed with allowances for extra floors and large extensions on flats and houses. What we have are restrictions and so less sq footage resulting in smaller and fewer homes on existing land. WTF is that about ? I'm happy to agree to disagree as we see the issues in different ways but we can?t both be correct on this. Every year that passes with this ?affordable? homes BS and restrictive planning system house prices rise and rise and the new homes targets are missed time and time again it looks like this system isn?t working. Did they have an ?affordable? house requirement in Victorian times NO Yet they were able to build hundreds of thousands of homes many we still enjoy today, maybe remove all this BS and get on with some simple rules and we?d have tens of thousands more homes and sensible prices? We?ll never know if my alternative simple system would work because there are now so many vested interests in keeping the current system as it is. Planners Architects developers and all the hangers on would earn less under my system though I?m confident we would build a lot more homes and the result would be home prices realigning with reality. Don?t get me started on government / taxpayer supported over inflated rental system another mess of vested interests mismanagement sky high costs and wasted opportunity.