fazer71

Otta Seriously You know I'm not playing with the aircraft noise issue, it affects my life every day. I can?t see how comparing the denial of one thing to the denial of another thing is indirectly comparing those two things. If that were the case no one would ever compare anything for fear of confusion. Comparing oil to water and saying they are liquids. Isn?t saying water is flammable like oil, or that water is clear and oil is black it?s just saying they are both liquids if that?s the comparison being made. So Comparing the thinking of holocaust deniers to the thinking of aircraft noise deniers. Is not the same as comparing the holocaust to aircraft noise not even close! If there were another suitable comparable I would have used it but I couldn't think of one at the time, I still can?t, can you? I had never heard the term birthers so wouldn't have used it, even now I don't think it?s a suitable term as few people know what a birther is, so it would have required further explanation, not good for comparison purposes. I don?t see any reason not to mention the Holocaust War Thatcher or anything else in a thread if it helps the conversation and adds to the debate. Unfortunately / Sadly in this instance the comparison has overshadowed the conversation as some readers bizarrely view any mention of the holocaust as politically incorrect and see it as a taboo subject. Is it taboo? It?s not like a cartoon of Allah is it? If you or anyone else is offended by my holocaust denier?s comparison then you are offended through choice, not by me! Agreed facts are facts. Very annoying when others deny the facts.

Utter Cobblers edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ....and delusional. delusional maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness: Ties in quite nicely with my comparison of deniers. How about this for me. Q. Are our ED skys silent and void of considerable aircraft noise? A. Q. Is ED off the Heathrow Flight path? A. Q. Did I compare aircraft noise to the holocaust? A. Q. Have I said capitalism before humanity? A. Q. Have I called anyone a cun$? A. Imho A. No to all the above? Looks like I?m not delusional. Can we say the same for a few others on here?

LOL This is so comical I'm deranged amongst may other things. Yet someone who says I am supposedly a fan of Thatcher (which I?m not) I should be happy to be bombarded with aircraft noise! Comparing the brains of holocaust deniers with the brains of aircraft noise deniers,, Is Apparently the same as comparing aircraft noise to the holocaust. I say UC and apparently it means I?ve called someone a cu&t. As I?m driven to distraction by the aircraft noise I?m an angry LITTLE man. The list of deranged interpretations is almost endless. When I stand my ground I?m apparently being the aggressor! Couldn?t make it up ? What a nonsense

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fazer71 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > >> It was you who made out that I compared the > > holocaust to aircraft noise UC. > > Disgusting ! > > And for that you owe me an apology !!! > > > You're deranged. No NO no You deranged my post into something ELSE !!!! You are a deranger ... You seeeeee ... UC

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suppose it could be > > 'understanding chocolate' > > or even > > 'underarm clippings' > > > But I doubt it.. Could be You See You Clown You Cock endless possibilities UC. But let's be clear I never called anyone a Cu?T..

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fazer71 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I have not and would never compare the > holocaust > > to aircraft noise. > > IMO I'm due an apology. > > > > Please STOP your absurd insulting OT posts! > > You made a crass and insensitive comparison which > involved the holocaust. Who on earth owes you an > apology? You really do have problems fazer. I did nothing of the sort. !!! It was you who made out that I compared the holocaust to aircraft noise UC. Disgusting ! And for that you owe me an apology !!!

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think you've conveniently forgotten you called > some people a c*** in various posts? WHERE! In this thread? Another unsubstantiated OT post.

OT for the benefit of Zebedee Tring & anyone else who wishes to understand the context of Thatcher's words. Not for those who don't want their illusions shattered. """"""""" I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand ?I have a problem, it is the Government?s job to cope with it!? or ?I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!? ?I am homeless, the Government must house me!? and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first? There is no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate.? """""""""""""""""""""" Edit to add I could use this Maggie quote ?I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.? = ?I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single on topic argument left.? """"""""""

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fazer, judging from your previous posting history, > you sound as if you are a fan of Margaret > Thatcher, the woman who said "There is no such > thing as society". In other words, she was really > saying "As long as I get what I want, then sod > you even if you're inconvenienced by my needs". So > an unfettered flights policy is the logical > conclusion of Thatcherite philosophy. Absurd that's like adding 2 and 2 and coming up with 1 ! You're confusing my beliefs which I explained .. maybe look through the thread . before engaging finger . The statement "There is no such thing as society" once put in context isn't Maggie being anti society. As with my comment on holocaust deniers, context is everything. > I hasten to add that Thatcherism is virtually the > opposite of what I believe, since in my opinion > there should be severe constraints on flights, > especially when so many businesspeople can > communicate with each other by Skype and the like > without needing to fly. But fazer, surely you can > see the inconsistencies in your ideological > position. There are no inconsistencies with my ideological position. My belief in free trade doesn't trump my belief in quality of human life or destruction of the planet. Heathrow was build before jet aircraft it was build in the wrong place its owners and economics forced government to allow it to expand, it is and was a mistake and will if we allow it remain a mistake a mistake which no government wants to tackle. They all bury their heads in the sand and wish it would go away and they then allow the pro Heathrow lobby to get their way regardless of its insanity. Our beliefs are probably not too far apart but our understanding & logic appear to be at different ends of the spectrum otherwise you wouldn't be using some spurious Thatcherite philosophy painting me as a Thatcherite which fyi I am not although I may agree with some things she did as I also agree with some things Attlee did. You really should be sticking to the subject.

TheArtfulDogger The numbers should be taken in context. Is it 80 million people or is it 80million journeys? IE how many of those who have travelled are multiple flyers flying every week or every month. It may be 8 million individuals who make up 80 million flights if they 10 times a year? Many wealthy people and business people fly once or twice a week 52 to 104 journeys a year! Regardless that isn't what matters. What matters is quality of life for those who live under and with the cursed noise. The finances do not come ahead of safety and quality of human life.. If it was affecting a rare frog or species of birds or donkeys etc these same people would be up in arms waving placards to save the poor animals .. but people don't matter !!! Insane. mikeb Makes a great point on the future successive governments have been incompetence and short-termism. Heathrow is long past its sell by date in reality it has no future and will eventually need replacing the plan should be to replace it as sooner the longer we wait the more it will cost and the more damage it will cause to peoples lives.

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Otta Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > . > > > > Fazer is an angry little man, and the fact he's > > compared holocaust to excessive aircraft noise > > shows him up as a very odd person. > > Indeed. Any substance to his arguments is rather > undermined by his insulting and ignorant posts. Let's be very clear. I have not and would never compare the holocaust to aircraft noise. IMO I'm due an apology. Please STOP your absurd insulting OT posts!

I'm fine thanks I don't have high blood pressure I'm not Fazed. ;) I do have aircraft noise tinnitus and an associated lack of sleep which is a right royal PITA. I am quite shocked at some of the posts directed towards me. Bizarre interpretations of straightforward comparisons, warped "politically correct" views, an almost complete failure to understand basic English and a constant twisting of my words. Quite freakish! Sad to see such base levels of comprehension, ignorance really is a curse.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > DulvilleRes Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Stop being rude to Fazer! He has made a > completely > > legitimate point about aircraft noise. Lots of > > people have backed him up in finding it > disrupts > > their life. If people are rude enough to call > him > > nuts for reacting like he does to the noise, he > is > > entitled to defend himself. The issue is > Aircraft > > noise - not Fazer. > > > When someone starts throwing insults around > (before anyone has said anything rude to him) they > tend to lose sympathy pretty quickly. > > Fazer is an angry little man, and the fact he's > compared holocaust to excessive aircraft noise > shows him up as a very odd person. WHAT do you not understand ??? I have compared holocaust DENIERS to Aircraft noise deniers !! NOT holocaust to excessive aircraft noise !!! Are you a for REAL ??

monkeylite Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Typical capitalist, let others suffer from the > problem as long as they don't. > > Tbh, I find Fazer's lack of understanding of > supply and demand concept of market economy to be > incredibly funny. Don't be ridiculous I don't wish my problems on anyone how dare you twist what I have said! Supply and demand does not trump safe civilised living conditions. FFS!

Penguin68 Do keep up with previous posts see below. Key bits .. perceived "aircraft noise" (=what aircraft noise if it's perceived?).. and He/she (ME) clearly has some major issues. (Rather insulting). I can't be bothered to trawl though and find all the others but I assure you they are there ! Who have I insulted ? Those who make stupid posts .. as explained ... """"Stupid comments like "If you fly don't moan about the noise." Is like saying "If you drive don't moan about road deaths" utterly bonkers! """" Those who believe it is an insult to compare the insane brains of holocaust deniers to insane brains of aircraft noise deniers.... ? These posters are blatant deniers when they post "WHAT NOISE?" what else can they be other than DEAF ! Aggressive me.....? What about others ? Please don't waste you efforts making further posts "for me" I have no need for such concerned narcissistic garbage. You and they are not sharing my paint, denying it exists and suggesting I am overreacting,, results in adding to my pain! FWIW There are no drugs to supress aircraft noise ... other than sleeping pills. I can see you'll never understand anything other than your own simple view ... I feel your pain .. especially as you appear to be unaware of your condition .. . :( edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fazer's comparison of people who don't have a > problem with this perceived "aircraft noise" and > holocaust deniers has to be one of the most > bizarre and offensive that I've read on this > forum. He/she clearly has some major issues.

Who would rather raise Obama over the Holocaust? Keeping the memory of the holocaust alive as a warning for future generations, ihmo is a must for humanity. I have no issue with the comparison in fact quite the opposite! In a twist of fate the deniers have helped raise the issue and keep the subject alive. Have aircraft noise deniers done the same for aircraft noise, they are equally insane? Also getting pretty fu?ked off with the politically "correct" warped posters. Stupid comments like "If you fly don't moan about the noise." Is like saying "If you drive don't moan about road deaths" utterly bonkers! If such comments are not moronic what on earth constitutes a moronic post?

Zebedee Tring Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On one level I find Fazer's stance amusing and > indeed contradictory since, on the basis of his > posting history, he appears to be a free market > enthusiast who believes that the market is always > right and that state intervention of any kind > constitutes dogmatic socialism. One would > therefore expect him to say that if the market > demands unlimited flights and airport runways, > then this should be allowed. HAHA Socialists don't understand free markets they confuse them with other forms of freedom. Besides all markets are regulated via safety laws taxes etc But that isn't the point here. The point here is quality of human life and nature etc trumps all market business freedoms. IE pumping poison into rivers, night clubs playing loud out music, the list is long and they all matter more that profit in a civilised society. Aircraft noise is no different the market doesn't decide on the NOISE levels! Aircraft noise ... At some level it is not civilised not natural regardless of how much money it makes. Funny you to use such a warped skewed narrow view. > However, since I am a compassionate man, I would > like to offer him an argument that will enable him > to climb out of the hole that he has dug for > himself. Instead of comparing climate change > deniers to Holocaust deniers, a better analogy > would be the "birthers" in the USA who, in spite > of all the evidence produced, still argue that > Obama wasn't born in the USA and therefore > shouldn't be President. So kind of you to look out for me :) good bit of compassion even though I'm not in a hole. Aren't you now ? :) On "birthers" what an interesting term. I'd never heard of it! It's a little special an American special term I'd be surprised if more than an handful of posters were familiar with the term. Most would know what holocaust deniers are. Humanity should never forget. PC brigade on here try to avoid historical & present realities and truths. PC madness. Bunch of fantasists living in lala land with their fingers in their ears .. sleep walking into 24/7 Aircraft noise ..

https://youtu.be/PAzeAnoN8_k

Nooooo it's the planes and associated lack of sleep :( at least that what I keep telling myself ;)

Lady ?? *shakes head in disgust*

That's what I though *tumble weed* or *"brains" working overtime* or finger engaged before "brain" . Those F?$%$KING planes are screeching over tonight ! :(

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fazer71 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Really .... Offensive in exactly what way? > > > If you don't know then there really is little hope > for you. JUST TELL ME !!!!! FFS ! edit to add. This thread is no longer the ??Aircraft Noise?? thread it??s officially the ??I can??t use my brain in a logical way?? thread. Totally railroaded by those .. who can??t use their brains in a logical way . !!! Let??s be clear this is what I said.. 1st comment I had a thought maybe aircraft noise deniers and holocaust deniers have brains wired in the same way or maybe aircraft noise deniers are simply deaf? 2nd comment Holocaust deniers are told about the holocaust but against substantial evidence proof (they can visit the sites) news history books and the rest of society knowing it happened, they simply refuse to believe it ever happened. Aircraft noise deniers are told about the aircraft noise and its impact on others but against substantial evidence proof (they can look up at the sky and hear the noise) read the news and the rest of society knowing the noise is there they simply refuse to believe anyone has a problem. The clue is in the bit where I say ??brains wired in the same?? . It??s not as though I??m comparing the holocaust with aircraft noise. That would be offensive. I??m comparing the mentality of those who would deny something which happened. Can??t wait to hear your from you .. ?? :)

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fazer's comparison of people who don't have a > problem with this perceived "aircraft noise" and > holocaust deniers has to be one of the most > bizarre and offensive that I've read on this > forum. He/she clearly has some major issues. Really .... Offensive in exactly what way? Will be interesting to see exactly who has "major" issues... ourbubbleonline Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is one of the most entertaining posts on the > forum! LOL Don't you mean threads?

lol :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Victoria_(Australia)#List_of_airports

100% if the Victorians where here today they'd have the foresight balls and brains to build for the next 100year it would in a a new hub airport in the estuary or some other suitable site. Heathrow is future insanity !