Controlled parking zone-fees will rise

[Penguin68]

Why didn't you do a consultation within a equal arc of distance and then draw up a plan? or is that too logical and fair.

It's really very simple - if you don't ask a group who will be impacted by parking being shifted into their streets, then when you do ask them, or wait for them to scream, you can extend, and extend, and extend the zone. By only asking a small number you get your wedge in, then all you have to do is leverage. All you have to rely on is individual selfishness, and you can certainly rely on that. If I think everyone else is having 'their' parking space preserved, but mine is up for grabs, I'll join the gaderene rush - notwithstanding the fact that everyone's 'freedom' to park, including those first asked, will be wholly compromised. When everyone had a chance of expressing their opinions then everyone realised that it would be a bad thing, just ask a very few (and lie to them about the benefits and don't disclose the downsides) and soon you will have your nice little earner, and in spades.

A great idea, particularly if you are ideologically opposed to private car ownership and the aspirant middle classes. Or, to put it another way, the majority of home-owners in ED, who represent, I believe, the majority of those living in the residential streets around the station (I know there is both rented and housing association accommodation there as well, but I don't believe it represents the majority of tenure).

[StraferJack]

that's a wilfully emotive phrase if you don't mind me saying, Penguin

Not even I am "ideologically opposed to private care ownership" - but any intelligent being can look at the amount of available space, and the numbers of people wanting a car and see that the two don't even come close, so alternatives, including encouraging people to not use a car, must be explored

Or do you feel that there is no limit to how many cars can fit into London?

[Penguin68]

Straferjack

I had not known that you were a Southwark councillor and member of the ruling labour party, to whom I was addressing those remarks - those who support this proposal may well to so for whatever reasons they want, those who proposed it have a political agenda - which is why they were elected in the first place - I keep arguing that there is nothing wrong with having a political agenda, I would just like to see it being argued openly (and indeed would like to have had the opportunity to exercise my vote in an election knowing about it).

[colville09]

Dear Straferjack

If you are 'Southwark councillor and member of the ruling labour party' as Penguin68 says, you should be ashamed of your council and your party. I'm in Oglander, one of the two roads sandwiched between the zones and will feel the impact far far worse than others. I have repeatedly emailed my councillor, Veronica Ward (who was at meetings with Southwark officials and could have said that the design was illogical) and other Labour councillors. They all can't be bothered to reply. I guess as a lifelong labour supporter who actually does vote in every election, I'm not worth it.

[StraferJack]

"those who support this proposal may well to so for whatever reasons they want, those who proposed it have a political agenda - which is why they were elected in the first place -"

I really don't think that's true. A political agenda isn't an abstract concept - it's an expression of competing demands and an attempt to find a path that is the least problematic.

Even if this was a top-down, revenue-raising policy cooked up by the council, it's only going to see them kicked out IF it's as unpopular as some people claim it will be. The fact is that enough people have said they want to see it for the council to go through this process. So the process isn't perfect, (it would be more expensive if it was more comprehensive) and blah blah blah. But it is still the wishes of enough people affected by a perceived problem and with this as a perceived solution (and you and I agree that it is the wrong one)

Not EVERYTHING can ever be laid out in an agenda and voted on every 4 years. But here is where we are now and people are voicing their opinions. Some more truculently than others. But people are seeing foul play where I don't believe there is

As

[StraferJack]

colville - you seemingly lack the intelligence to appreciate sarcasm and irony employed by penguin and therefore you should be ashamed of yourself

I have expressed my own opposition to the CPZ several times - do keep up

I am not a member of any party, or an elected member of anything. I do historically tend to vote labour tho

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

"gadarene rush"

*swoons*