Attempted carjacking/robbery (Honor Oak)

[Penguin68]

If you are being attacked and use your car to defend yourself then it's clearly self defence.

The defence is one of proportionality - so I do not think Mr Barber is right in giving this unequivocal advice. Is a (perhaps) 2 ton car a proportionate weapon against a hammer?

There is no doubt that damage to an attacker caused by your car when you were trying to escape him (i.e. damage consequential on a legitimate attempt to escape) would be very likely to be considered either accidental or proportionate - chasing a criminal who had attacked you in your car and pinning him fatally to a wall would be a much mooter point.

The movement from 'defence' to 'attack as a method of defence' is a difficult area - in another sphere entirely the Americans and Israelis have initiated attacks on individuals or locations on the basis of those attacks being ultimately defensive in nature - not everyone agrees with this.

[henryb]

According to the CPS guidelines pre-emptive strikes can be legitimate if the person honestly and instinctively felt at the time it was what was necessary to defend themselves.

[woodrot]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> If you are being attacked and use your car to

> defend yourself then it's clearly self defence.

>

> The defence is one of proportionality - so I do

> not think Mr Barber is right in giving this

> unequivocal advice. Is a (perhaps) 2 ton car a

> proportionate weapon against a hammer?

>

> There is no doubt that damage to an attacker

> caused by your car when you were trying to escape

> him (i.e. damage consequential on a legitimate

> attempt to escape) would be very likely to be

> considered either accidental or proportionate -

> chasing a criminal who had attacked you in your

> car and pinning him fatally to a wall would be a

> much mooter point.

>

> The movement from 'defence' to 'attack as a method

> of defence' is a difficult area - in another

> sphere entirely the Americans and Israelis have

> initiated attacks on individuals or locations on

> the basis of those attacks being ultimately

> defensive in nature - not everyone agrees with

> this.

fuck them

get the story straight - you panicked , tried to get away and mistakenly rammed them - an honest mistake.

Dont tell the truth to the coppery in cases like this, they dont want the paperwork but if presented with a statement that confesses guitly, they will have to make it official.

I saw a cyclist at London bridge get oushed into the railings by an arsehole in a Merc - cyclist remonstated, merc driver got in his face and sneered / laughed/ poked him in the chest.cyclist backed off and reactions made him swing for the driver and hit him in the nose - blood everywhere. the Driver called the filth - they waited - I told the cyclist to fuck off sharpish as this isnt going to end well - he wanted the police to sort this out, as he was a straight middle class city worker aged about 40. He got nicked.

[victim]

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