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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras#Animal_welfare


I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good! Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar product?


Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be consistent...

SpringTime Wrote:

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras#Animal_wel

> fare

>

> I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good!

> Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar

> product?

>

> Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter

> for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be

> consistent...


That is true but Halal and Kosher are considered as Religious practices and a delicate subject.


I have never tasted or eaten Foie Gras and have no desire to do so.


I am a meat eater mainly chicken and have to admit there are bad practices where animals

for food are concerned. I eat a lot of Curries and am aware of Halal meat.

I was Vegetarian for 3 years back in the 70's. I am trying to resume my vegetarianism

I eat King Prawn curries but was appalled to find that on Prawn Farms the females have there

eye stalks cut out. The reason is that it increases breeding as the females are blind..


Also after seeing recently videos from Peta of baby pigs being abandoned and left to die

after their mothers have been slaughtered. I have now stopped buying Bacon.


Foxy

SpringTime Wrote:

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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foie_gras#Animal_wel

> fare

>

> I know it's wrong - but it just tastes so good!

> Are there alternative "recipes" to yield a similar

> product?

>

> Also in New York, do they allow non-stun slaughter

> for Halal and Kosher meat? They should be

> consistent...


It doesn't come into force until 2022. There are non force fed Foie Gras methods - which is why the ban is delayed hoping farms can change their model.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/foie-gras-ban-nyc.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=Food

I'm guessing not all French farms will switch for the sake of NY., but more will change if other populations follow suit. I could live without foie gras for the sake of animals - we don't have battery eggs/chicken in our house, and no cheap fried chicken etc. so the French stuff doesn't need to be an exception for us. No non-stun meat either - religion shouldn't be immune. And I'd happily enforce a ban on processed chicken whether or not it meant these crappy joints folded or not.

Do not be fooled by the term Free Range..

This Hut contains 16,000 'Free Range' Chickens


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Up to 16,000 hens crammed into a shed, and many NEVER see daylight. But believe it or not, THESE are free-range chickens


There is a door to the outside so they are Free Range.


Full article


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508173/16-000-free-range-chickens-crammed-shed-NEVER-daylight.html


Chickens like these sold as 'Free Range' are twice, three times the price of other chickens.

There is the con.


There are Quality Chickens that are bred in better conditions

a Bresse Chicken from Borough Market will set you back ?35.00 - ?50.00


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DulwichFox

Yeah I remember seeing so-called free range growers and layers crammed in like sardines whilst living in or near farms as a kid. They were little better off than batteries. Never paid more than ?20 for a chicken myself (not even a live one) but happy to splash out on Label Anglais (they sometimes have at Flock and Herd) and the Fosse breed they sell at The Butchery SE23 is decent and properly priced. https://fossemeadows.com/farming/ Chicken shouldn't be cheap.

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> Sadly I haven't got a current doggy passport

> 😂 Although never had a problem getting

> through US immigration

>

> Do they do foxy passports ? I imagine that the

> secret US file on you must be awful thick


I worked in Telecoms for 40 years.

Back in the 80's I worked on VAX Digital Corporation systems.

I was vetted. I had High level system security access.


I am what they call a 'White Hat '


Fox.

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

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> Foxy, the first rule of spy club is ....?

>

> Weren't "White Hats" Russian or is that a cocktail

> ?


The 'White Hats' were the Good Guys who wrote Good Code to Repaired computer systems .


The 'Black Hats' were the Bad Guys who wrote Bad Code like Viruses*


Foxy..


Note to the Pedants..

The noun virus has a Latin root, but is one of the few nouns that has no plural in Latin. It occurs only in the singular. The English plural viruses (which adheres to the standard rules for forming plurals) is the only way to make the noun virus plural.
:)

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Foxy, the first rule of spy club is ....?

> >

> > Weren't "White Hats" Russian or is that a

> cocktail

> > ?

>

> The 'White Hats' were the Good Guys who wrote Good

> Code to Repaired computer systems .

>

> The 'Black Hats' were the Bad Guys who wrote Bad

> Code like Viruses*

>

> Foxy..

>

> Note to the Pedants..

> The noun virus has a Latin root, but is one of the

> few nouns that has no plural in Latin. It occurs

> only in the singular. The English plural viruses

> (which adheres to the standard rules for forming

> plurals) is the only way to make the noun virus

> plural. :)



It's a bit more murky now as you have a black hat conference every year - the hat now seems to refer to how you tackle the bad guys (do you use their own tactics)

I used to eat Foie Gras fairly frequently, but now... I guess I rarely go to that type of restaurant any more, and it's not a product easily available for home consumption. Although it does taste fantastic... but I will admit that it's pretty hard to justify, and any ban is for the greater good.


Kosher/Halal... in an ideal world, we'd stop pandering to illogical beliefs based on absurd mythology. And the law of the land - guided by knowledge, empathy, and moral consensus - would take precedence. Easier said that done in a city like NY. But maybe one day...

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> I used to eat Foie Gras fairly frequently, but

> now... I guess I rarely go to that type of

> restaurant any more, and it's not a product easily

> available for home consumption. Although it does

> taste fantastic... but I will admit that it's

> pretty hard to justify, and any ban is for the

> greater good.

>

> Kosher/Halal... in an ideal world, we'd stop

> pandering to illogical beliefs based on absurd

> mythology. And the law of the land - guided by

> knowledge, empathy, and moral consensus - would

> take precedence. Easier said that done in a city

> like NY. But maybe one day...


Yes. totally agree, but unfortunately we are all still inadvertently helping to perpetuate the mythology through our taxes helping to pay for 'religious' schools- it makes me sick to my stomach. (sorry -off topic)

seenbeen Wrote:

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> fishbiscuits Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> >>

> Yes. totally agree, but unfortunately we are all

> still inadvertently helping to perpetuate the

> mythology through our taxes helping to pay for

> 'religious' schools- it makes me sick to my

> stomach. (sorry -off topic)


how intolerant (and OTT)

The ban in New York isn't in force till 2022 and resturants and suppliers all over NY are going to throw legal obstacles in its path


Could be interesting to watch and let's hope our mayor doesn't get ideas about becoming the food police as he can't manage the real police

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> Objecting to faith schools is "intolerant"?

> Really? Why support a practice that actively

> segregates communities?


Being sick to the stomach that some taxes are used to allow sone children to be educated in a faith school is definitely intolerant, of the religious beliefs of others


Diversity is a good thing

No, disagreeing with faith schools is NOT the same as being intolerant of religion. That's a very, very strange thing to say.


Nobody is preventing you from believing whatever the hell you want. It's all good. But it is just that... a BELIEF. It has no place in education.


I am - as you may have guessed - an atheist. But would not want my daughter to go to a school where kids were told that there categorically is no god. It's for her to decide, and if she ever wants to practice a religion, she is welcome to do so in her own time.


Diversity is a good thing, yes. But faith schools actively discourage diversity, by preventing your children learning and socialising with children of different religions. They segregate communities.

fishbiscuits Wrote:

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> No, disagreeing with faith schools is NOT the same

> as being intolerant of religion. That's a very,

> very strange thing to say.

>

> Nobody is preventing you from believing whatever

> the hell you want. It's all good. But it is just

> that... a BELIEF. It has no place in education.

>

> I am - as you may have guessed - an atheist. But

> would not want my daughter to go to a school where

> kids were told that there categorically is no god.

> It's for her to decide, and if she ever wants to

> practice a religion, she is welcome to do so in

> her own time.

>

> Diversity is a good thing, yes. But faith schools

> actively discourage diversity, by preventing your

> children learning and socialising with children off

> different religions. They segregate communities.



Are you also sick to the stomach of single sex schools? And private schools? And schools that operate any sort of selection process other than a pure lottery?


Cause surely they too actively discourage diversity too?

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