EU Trade Talks Thread

[diable rouge]

stepdown Wrote:

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> diable rouge Wrote:

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> > Cap'n, you need to get out of that culture

> warrior

> > whataboutery bubble, this is where your

> > contrariness for the sake of being contrary

> let's

> > you down.

>

> You can hardly clutch your pearls over

> partisanship when you just posted a video mocking

> Priti Patel in a thread about EU trade talks.

I didn't want to start a new thread, had there been one on the Streatham attack it would've gone into that one. This was the most recent 'political' thread so I put it in here. It's the Lounge after all, anything goes...

[stepdown]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> It's the Lounge after all, anything goes...

True, you're hardly alone on derailing threads!

[diable rouge]

Derailing is a bit harsh, more of a points change of track...

[Blah Blah]

Three words. The Russia Report. Where is it?

[diable rouge]

Well, as it's a quiet day on trade talks...

I would've thought that had the report contained anything explosive against the Gov something would've been leaked by now. Equally, if the report had nothing explosive in it, the Gov itself would've leaked something along those lines. So my ha'penny's worth is that it's somewhere in between, there has been Russian influence but of the Tory donor kind, and probably more extensive than thought...

[uncleglen]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> I don't know how anyone could want to be on the

> same side as uncleglen - if I was a leaver I

> would be mortified with some of the stuff he comes

> up with

>

> And to be fair to him, the airwaves are full of

> people equally deluded

I don't 'come up' with this 'stuff....it's all fact or personal experience since I do venture out of London frequently and talk to other people...

https://janetteheffernan.blogspot.com/2016/06/brexit-list-of-uk-companies-no-longer.html

[Sephiroth]

Glen

I?m don?t live anywhere inside the m25

My local mp is a hardcore ERG

And your list is bobbins

http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

[Blah Blah]

The EU does not give grants to move jobs out of the UK. Here is some fact checking for you Uncle. I suggest you read it and respond.

http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-fund-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

And many of the things listed in that blog Uncle are a direct result of the policies by our OWN governments, who privatised everything (nothing to do with the EU) and under invested in our own startups (nothing to do with the EU) and moved us to a free market service sector economy in light of global competition.

We invented many things, like graphene and the micro-chip. But we have always been bad at central investment in our own talents. Again, nothing to do with the EU.

Moaning that companies move to where labour is cheaper is also something that won't be fixed because we have left the EU. The Tory government you all laud are for even more free market profiteering over protectionist central management of industry.

So which is it Uncle? Free market or socialism? You seem confused.

[uncleglen]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Glen

> I?m don?t live anywhere inside the m25

> My local mp is a hardcore ERG

>

> And your list is bobbins

>

> http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-f

> und-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

this is the East Dulwich forum...a bandwagon for George Monbiot's brainwashed minions

[Sephiroth]

That?s neither true nor relevant

[Seabag]

uncleglen Wrote:

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> > Glen

> > I?m don?t live anywhere inside the m25

> > My local mp is a hardcore ERG

> >

> > And your list is bobbins

> >

> >

> http://ilovetheeu.co.uk/trade/no-the-eu-does-not-f

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> > und-companies-to-move-jobs-out-of-the-uk/

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> this is the East Dulwich forum...a bandwagon for

> George Monbiot's brainwashed minions

As opposed to what UG

What you reading?

Brietbart?s 15 hot white fashion looks for Melania Trump on Labour Day ?

[Blah Blah]

And typically, after having posted a list of lies, Uncleglen has nothing to say about the factcheck posted in reply. And he wonders why some remain voters think some leave voters are willfully ignorant! Uncle is living proof of that fact.

[TheCat]

Im not questioning the 'fact checking' of the website being referenced...as to be honest I haven't yet clicked on the link.

But suffice to say that I can imagine the derision and bile that would spew forth on these pages if any Leavers posted a 'factcheck' from a site called ihatetheEU.com......

[Blah Blah]

Nope. If a leaver posted FACTS, they would be taken seriously. Uncle posted lies from a blog that deliberately made stuff up for leave voters. How about you look at both links and make an informed judgement instead of the whataboutery and assumption you have replied with? Now is the time for reality. Facts and details. Not the lies that both campaigns were fought along.

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> Im not questioning the 'fact checking' of the

> website being referenced...as to be honest I

> haven't yet clicked on the link.

>

> But suffice to say that I can imagine the derision

> and bile that would spew forth on these pages if

> any Leavers posted a 'factcheck' from a site

> called ihatetheEU.com......

So you?re not interesting in the facts

But you think that it?s useful to comment in sensationalist terms on what people haven?t said about something that hasn?t happened.

What?s the point? Haven?t you any opinions on EU trade?

[TheCat]

pk Wrote:

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> TheCat Wrote:

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> > Im not questioning the 'fact checking' of the

> > website being referenced...as to be honest I

> > haven't yet clicked on the link.

> >

> > But suffice to say that I can imagine the

> derision

> > and bile that would spew forth on these pages

> if

> > any Leavers posted a 'factcheck' from a site

> > called ihatetheEU.com......

>

> So you?re not interesting in the facts

>

> But you think that it?s useful to comment in

> sensationalist terms on what people haven?t said

> about something that hasn?t happened.

>

> What?s the point? Haven?t you any opinions on EU

> trade?

Calm down dear...it was a wry observation about the name of a website, not an attack on truth or 'facts' (or 'incomplete facts as the case may be on this occasion).

So now you want my opinions??....please make up your mind as to whether you want opinions or facts...

[pk]

TheCat Wrote:

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> So now you want my opinions??....please make up

> your mind as to whether you want opinions or

> facts...

You don?t think that facts should inform opinions?

Maybe be not in your case

[Blah Blah]

And here we find word gamery again instead of leave voters actually discussing any facts. It's tedious.

[Jules-and-Boo]

you'd all make excellent politicians

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TheCat Wrote:

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> Im not questioning the 'fact checking' of the

> website being referenced...as to be honest I

> haven't yet clicked on the link.

Good to see you won't be commenting on something you can't be bothered to read, and that you're at least being honest about it.

TheCat Wrote:

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> But suffice to say that I can imagine the derision

> and bile that would spew forth on these pages if

> any Leavers posted a 'factcheck' from a site

> called ihatetheEU.com......

Oh, no, that restraint didn't last long! Your usual tactic of attacking a "lack of decorum and respect" is now being used on imaginary "derision and bile"! Innovative!

TheCat Wrote:

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> 'facts' (or 'incomplete facts as the case may be

> on this occasion).

It gets better! You start questioning the fact checking of the site immediately after posting that you won't be questioning the fact checking of the website you haven't even clicked on! Classic!

[stepdown]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> you'd all make excellent politicians

That doesn't even merit being called out as an ad hominem, it's just an insult.

[Jules-and-Boo]

I thought it was rather fitting.

[stepdown]

Jules-and-Boo Wrote:

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> I thought it was rather fitting.

I suppose resorting to insults does seem to fit with somebody unwilling or unable to provide a shred of evidence for their assertions on animal welfare.

[Jules-and-Boo]

oh, did you ask me for supporting evidence?

There's quite a lot actually. Compassion in World Farming have done detailed work on the issue.

If you think being compared to politicans is an insult, that's interesting. I actually didn't judge it as that.

[Seabag]

Ok, if I were being compared to a politician, I?d go for Rory Stewart

I?d be less happy with anyone else.