EU Trade Talks Thread

[keano77]

No, "protectionist" means tariffs to protect local industry from foreign competition, the clue is in the name. The aim is to reduce domestic consumption of foreign imports, not to generate revenue.

Translation - to keep prices artificially high

Why do you think CAP had wine lakes and beef mountains?

Anyway, I apologise as this is going over old ground.

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> How things work today pk might not be how they

> work tomorrow. It?s called change or adaption or

> evolution etc

>

But as we?re here today why not deal with today rather than speculate about some bizarre future where countries don?t have free trade arrangements but don?t have border controls either?

[keano77]

Good point pk. But I?m more interested in the pressure Barnier is coming under from EU countries seeking to protect their own interests before the talks start. His draft negotiating position has had to be redrafted several times already.

[stepdown]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Err, hello - ?10 Billion hole in annual

> contributions now the U.K. has thrown off the

> shakles

You've exposed your ignorance of what monetary policy is.

keano77 Wrote:

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> Translation - to keep prices artificially high

>

> Why do you think CAP had wine lakes and beef

> mountains?

Yes, as I explained that is the mechanism by which protectionism works, but you've exposed your ignorance of the difference between subsidies and tariffs as well as the MacSharry reforms that began in 1992: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy#1992

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Good point pk. But I?m more interested in the

> pressure Barnier is coming under from EU countries

> seeking to protect their own interests before the

> talks start. His draft negotiating position has

> had to be redrafted several times already.

I'm more interested in how and when Boris and his BS mates are going to own up to all the lies that they've told and the misinformation that they've spread (based on and taking advantage of ignorance) and the fact that they haven't got any credible plan

but in reality, I expect that they won't own up at all and that they'll blame all bad things on the EU being unreasonable

and mugs like you will fall for it

[keano77]

?... You've exposed your ignorance of what monetary policy is...?

I?m sure I?ve got a couple of books by Milton Friedman on my bookshelves somewhere but I confess they must be very dusty now. You might be too young to remember but Friedman was flavour of the month under Margaret Thatcher and her policies devastated industrial Britain and mining communities and could be said to have paved the way for the Brexit result.

Monetarism is about the supply of money. So we?re back to money, money, money as the ABBA hit had it.

[keano77]

?... and mugs like you will fall for it...?

I have to admire your small c conservatism pk - your brave attempts to preserve the (EU) status quo. No adventurer you, boldly prepared to move forward.

Do you have an EU flag on your bedroom wall? And perhaps a picture of Barnier that you light candles before. Do tell.

[JohnL]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Do you have an EU flag on your bedroom wall? And

> perhaps a picture of Barnier that you light

> candles before. Do tell.

Guy Verhofstadt is the Remainer poster boy.

[Sephiroth]

Gotta love a country that agrees and signs a working agreement only to renege on it weeks later

The world is watching

They aren?t looking at ?brave adventurers?

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keano77 Wrote:

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> Monetarism is about the supply of money.

Right, it's about how much money the ECB prints and what interest rates they set. So why do you think that has anything to do with the EU budget?

[pk]

keano77 Wrote:

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> ?... and mugs like you will fall for it...?

>

> I have to admire your small c conservatism pk -

> your brave attempts to preserve the (EU) status

> quo. No adventurer you, boldly prepared to move

> forward.

>

But the real point is that there?s not been enough preparation (bold or otherwise) about moving forward

Unless you?ve got sight of all the bold preparation that?s taken place that no one else knows about, then I?d say going on an adventure by destroying plan a without knowing what plan b is a stupid and reckless, so I?m happy not to be an adventurer

[keano77]

Fair point pk

There?s nothing wrong with double knotting your shoes, belt and braces and taking out an umbrella on a fine day just in case.

[stepdown]

It's a desperate sort of blend of straw man and ad-hominem, attacking you for a lack of adventure or me for close-mindedness, rather than actually discussing the issues at hand.

I wouldn't pay much attention to such "radical" thinking.

[keano77]

It?s nothing personal stepdown (or pk)

The issues at hand are the issues that have always been at hand. The EU cannot be seen to give the UK a better deal as a non-member than we would have as a full member - otherwise the EU would collapse with Frexit, nexit, italexit etc but at the same time the EU wants to keep access to our waters and no doubt will request billions for U.K. access to this and that.

In that sense, as Theresa May said, ?nothing has changed?

Let battle commence with the talks

[Sephiroth]

Yep both uk and eu want a good deal

Now. Who holds the balance of power?

There you go. It?s ain?t the uk. It hasn?t got nothing but it?s pissing away any leverage and goodwill by being arrogant hissy babies. Demanding what it already has for nothing.

The uk is the antagonist in all of this. Eu never asked for it. Uk will come out badly because it doesn?t have the heft it thinks it does. And it will lose two nations from its kingdom. And it won?t be the eu fault

[Blah Blah]

The Greeks want their Marbles back as part of any deal apparently. Quite fitting as we seem to have lost ours ;)

[Sephiroth]

Not sure the plans announced by government today are compatible with keano?s desire for no border and it just being an evil eu plan

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/18/uk-to-close-door-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskilled-workers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Alan Medic]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Not sure the plans announced by government today

> are compatible with keano?s desire for no border

> and it just being an evil eu plan

>

> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/18/uk

> -to-close-door-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskill

> ed-workers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

But we are constantly told by the government that there is full employment. So who will do the jobs in hospitality, catering,care?

[JohnL]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Sephiroth Wrote:

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> > Not sure the plans announced by government

> today

> > are compatible with keano?s desire for no

> border

> > and it just being an evil eu plan

> >

> >

> https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/18/uk

>

> >

> -to-close-door-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskill

>

> > ed-workers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

>

> But we are constantly told by the government that

> there is full employment. So who will do the jobs

> in hospitality, catering,care?

On Sky after asking this question businesses were told they would have to find other ways.

In other words low skilled immigrants are just intrinsically bad - it isn't a job issue.

[JohnL]

Priti Patel says care workers will be exempt on Kay Burley show - 20 minutes later an employment professional said that was not in the bill and she lied.

Never :)

[Sephiroth]

When I moved to England, I?d score a 10 on that new test

[Sephiroth]

Still, I?m here now

Living in same country as keano and uncleglen

Only I have more rights and freedoms than they do

[Alan Medic]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Still, I?m here now

>

> Living in same country as keano and uncleglen

>

> Only I have more rights and freedoms than they do

[JohnL]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Still, I?m here now

> Living in same country as keano and uncleglen

> Only I have more rights and freedoms than they do

Patel has plans for the "economically inactive" - ironically that's going to be lots of the Brexit fanatics I suspect. Pensioners next.

"8 million people between the ages of 16 and 64 were ?economically inactive? and could be given the skills to do jobs in sectors where there were shortages as a result of the new points-based system."

[Seabag]

Hard Brexit seems to be the poison of choice for this government

https://apple.news/AJaz8t_SBT5u6F1BQQ2vq0A