EU Trade Talks Thread

[Effra]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Effra Wrote:

> Agreed it does not control when an

> > individual country commences its roll out of an

> > approved drug, but that is beside the point.

>

> I thought THAT was the point?

You missed the point i.e. no EU state can start to roll it out UNTIL AFTER the EMA has approved it.

A classic case of centralised bureaucratic control emasculating individual member states.

[Alan Medic]

Effra Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

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> > Effra Wrote:

> > Agreed it does not control when an

> > > individual country commences its roll out of

> an

> > > approved drug, but that is beside the point.

> >

> > I thought THAT was the point?

>

> You missed the point i.e. no EU state can start

> to roll it out UNTIL AFTER the EMA has approved

> it.

>

> A classic case of centralised bureaucratic control

> emasculating individual member states.

Strange that this is how the EMA describes itself on its website:

"The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is a decentralised agency of the European Union (EU) responsible for the scientific evaluation, supervision and safety monitoring of medicines in the EU."

Given that the MHRA approved the vaccine under European law, there is nothing to stop other EU countries from approving it either regardless of EMA approval. Emergency legislation allows for it.

So, perhaps you'd like to reconsider your UPPER CASE POINT point?

[alex_b]

Effra Wrote:

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> Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Sorry Blah Blah, but your take on this does not

> meet your usual standards of objectivity.

>

> The UK opted out of the European Medicines Agency

> (EMA) to rid itself of the lethargic bureaucracy

> that pervades the entire EU. The EMA controls the

> development, evaluation, approval of new

> drug/vaccines in the EU. So no approval, no

> rollout. Agreed it does not control when an

> individual country commences its roll out of an

> approved drug, but that is beside the point.

>

> This gave the UK the freedom to analyse the data

> and react quickly without numerous group meetings.

> The EMA plan to have two more meetings in December

> to discuss this. It will be 2021 before they can

> progress towards mass vaccinations.

Except that a) there is an exemption for public health emergencies and b) until the 31st December we?re still bound by EU law. So what legal change has Brexit brought that allows us to deploy the vaccine today in 2020 that we couldn?t have done in 2015?

TopCat?s strained interpretation that we probably would have waited for the rest of the EU doesn?t mean we couldn?t have done it without Brexit, just like we could have had blue passports if we?d wanted but chose not to.

[Effra]

"On January 1 2021, Britain will get a dose of regulatory independence, and the EU will get a dose of regulatory competition"

Credit to Stephen Dnes, DT Letters today

[Sephiroth]

None so blind...

[pk]

Effra Wrote:

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> "On January 1 2021, Britain will get a dose of

> regulatory independence, and the EU will get a

> dose of regulatory competition"

>

> Credit to Stephen Dnes, DT Letters today

It?s probably more accurate to say that on Jan 1 either

Britain will be under a deal that it?s failed to prepare for (unless it changes nothing of any significance or extends transition) or

Britain will be in a no deal situation that it?s failed to prepare for

Either way Boris is a massive bullsh*ter and has let down all sides

[Sephiroth]

a corollary

Johnson doesn't sign a deal, screws the country and breaks up the Uk - he's toast

or

Johnson signs a pitiful deal (because of his redlines and because of the reality of balance of power) and he is toast as his party turns on him for "giving in"

[diable rouge]

700...

[Blah Blah]

Yes, Johnson has a difficult month ahead, irregardless of what happens. And as he is talking directly with Ursula Von Der Leyen now, the final decision will be on him personally.

Even on the vaccine front, they are overplaying their hand. The vaccines ordered from Pfizer are a one off order that will be delivered gradually over time. The reality is that we may only see 800,000 shots in the near future, well short of the millions ordered. So this is not a magic bullet by any means. And there are real logistical problems with getting that vaccine out to care homes.

[Alan Medic]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> 700...

I've nothing useful to add.

[Earl Aelfheah]

I still think we'll get some sort of half baked deal. It will satisfy exactly nobody. Brexiteers will cry betrayal and stich up, by everyone and anyone and take zero responsibility themselves. It's all very predictable and depressing. Boris will not make it to the next election imo.

[Blah Blah]

Theory one.

If Boris comes back with no deal, he is definitely toast. After 1 month of the chaos that ensues, he will be pushed out, probably to be replaced by Sunak, with whom the EU will reopen negotiations, and a deal will be done.

Theory two.

He settles for a deal and the ERG throw a temper tantrum over the concessions we all know he is going to have to make on fishing etc. He clings on, but for how long?

Theory three.

Everyone wakes up and it is 2010 again. It was all just a terrible dream ;)

[Alan Medic]

I prefer theory 3 ☺

Re Theory one, I saw that on some Conservative members poll, that Liz Truss had replaced Sunak as the most popular MP of theirs.........Liz bloody Truss! She of the wonderful trade deals.

[KidKruger]

And here we have it !

Four years+ in, an oven-ready deal promised a couple of years ago, and we?re here guessing what the Govt is aiming for and what we?ll end-up with - with literally hours to go before discussions end.

Absolutely shameful. And the shape of ?Brexit? seems to be down to personal belief nowadays !

[Seabag]

Imagine 5 years ago saying we?re going to split from Europe and Boris Johnson will negotiate the deal.

You?d have laughed in disbelief, specially if you?d have added ?and we?ll be in a pandemic where the virus is trying to kill millions?

But no, here we find ourselves. It?s like being asked if you?d rather be shot or stabbed to death.

[TheCat]

So, apparently, the future of Britain?s relationship with the rest of Europe will hang on the success of a dinner tonight between Boris Johnson and Ursula von der Leyen......lets hope they're not having fish....

[diable rouge]

Welcome to Global Britain, Cool Britannia seems a very long time ago...

[TheCat]

what exactly is your problem with this picture?

[JohnL]

His suit doesn't fit and whys the bags in his trousers :).

I buy off the peg so mine aren't perfect - but he's PM.

[JohnL]

Also there's the video where she's telling him what to do (can I take my mask off now, keep your distance , put your mask back on now).

He replies "you certainly run a tight ship here Ursula"

A few people have said to remember she has 7 children :)

[diable rouge]

Courtesy of David Allen Green, a modern day triptych...

The Brexit negotiations summarised perfectly in just three pictures...

[diable rouge]

A fitting footnote to add to that triptych, would be this eternal tweet written back in Sept 2016, which I presume was a response to Michael Gove's ''The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards''...

EU lays down a royal flush.

UK looks at own cards: Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu, a Shadowmage, a fireball spell, and the Fool

[JohnL]

Someone needs to hold Boris et al to account but we seem to have lost half the Sky New journalists this week.

Kay Burley and Beth Rigby "taking a break" although Neal's not to bad in the morning slot - shows how few we have.

[Sue]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> A fitting footnote to add to that triptych, would

> be this eternal tweet written back in Sept 2016,

> which I presume was a response to Michael Gove's

> ''The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the

> cards''...

>

> EU lays down a royal flush.

>

> UK looks at own cards: Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu,

> a Shadowmage, a fireball spell, and the Fool

🤣🤣🤣

Hmm, The Fool. About to leap into The Abyss, if memory serves.

[Sue]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Kay Burley and Beth Rigby "taking a break"

>

Kay Burley "taking a break" on six months' full pay.

Other people get fined 😡