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Effra

Effra

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Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Effra Wrote:

> Agreed it does not control when an

> > individual country commences its roll out of an

> > approved drug, but that is beside the point.

>

> I thought THAT was the point?


You missed the point i.e. no EU state can start to roll it out UNTIL AFTER the EMA has approved it.


A classic case of centralised bureaucratic control emasculating individual member states.

Alan Medic

Alan Medic

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Effra Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Effra Wrote:

> > Agreed it does not control when an

> > > individual country commences its roll out of

> an

> > > approved drug, but that is beside the point.

> >

> > I thought THAT was the point?

>

> You missed the point i.e. no EU state can start

> to roll it out UNTIL AFTER the EMA has approved

> it.

>

> A classic case of centralised bureaucratic control

> emasculating individual member states.


Strange that this is how the EMA describes itself on its website:


"The European Medicines Agency (EMA) is a decentralised agency of the European Union (EU) responsible for the scientific evaluation, supervision and safety monitoring of medicines in the EU."


Given that the MHRA approved the vaccine under European law, there is nothing to stop other EU countries from approving it either regardless of EMA approval. Emergency legislation allows for it.


So, perhaps you'd like to reconsider your UPPER CASE POINT point?

alex_b

alex_b

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Effra Wrote:

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> Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Sorry Blah Blah, but your take on this does not

> meet your usual standards of objectivity.

>

> The UK opted out of the European Medicines Agency

> (EMA) to rid itself of the lethargic bureaucracy

> that pervades the entire EU. The EMA controls the

> development, evaluation, approval of new

> drug/vaccines in the EU. So no approval, no

> rollout. Agreed it does not control when an

> individual country commences its roll out of an

> approved drug, but that is beside the point.

>

> This gave the UK the freedom to analyse the data

> and react quickly without numerous group meetings.

> The EMA plan to have two more meetings in December

> to discuss this. It will be 2021 before they can

> progress towards mass vaccinations.


Except that a) there is an exemption for public health emergencies and b) until the 31st December we?re still bound by EU law. So what legal change has Brexit brought that allows us to deploy the vaccine today in 2020 that we couldn?t have done in 2015?


TopCat?s strained interpretation that we probably would have waited for the rest of the EU doesn?t mean we couldn?t have done it without Brexit, just like we could have had blue passports if we?d wanted but chose not to.

pk

pk

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Effra Wrote:

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> "On January 1 2021, Britain will get a dose of

> regulatory independence, and the EU will get a

> dose of regulatory competition"

>

> Credit to Stephen Dnes, DT Letters today


It?s probably more accurate to say that on Jan 1 either


Britain will be under a deal that it?s failed to prepare for (unless it changes nothing of any significance or extends transition) or

Britain will be in a no deal situation that it?s failed to prepare for


Either way Boris is a massive bullsh*ter and has let down all sides

Sephiroth

Sephiroth

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a corollary


Johnson doesn't sign a deal, screws the country and breaks up the Uk - he's toast

or

Johnson signs a pitiful deal (because of his redlines and because of the reality of balance of power) and he is toast as his party turns on him for "giving in"

Blah Blah

Blah Blah

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Yes, Johnson has a difficult month ahead, irregardless of what happens. And as he is talking directly with Ursula Von Der Leyen now, the final decision will be on him personally.


Even on the vaccine front, they are overplaying their hand. The vaccines ordered from Pfizer are a one off order that will be delivered gradually over time. The reality is that we may only see 800,000 shots in the near future, well short of the millions ordered. So this is not a magic bullet by any means. And there are real logistical problems with getting that vaccine out to care homes.

Earl Aelfheah

Earl Aelfheah

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I still think we'll get some sort of half baked deal. It will satisfy exactly nobody. Brexiteers will cry betrayal and stich up, by everyone and anyone and take zero responsibility themselves. It's all very predictable and depressing. Boris will not make it to the next election imo.
Blah Blah

Blah Blah

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Theory one.


If Boris comes back with no deal, he is definitely toast. After 1 month of the chaos that ensues, he will be pushed out, probably to be replaced by Sunak, with whom the EU will reopen negotiations, and a deal will be done.


Theory two.


He settles for a deal and the ERG throw a temper tantrum over the concessions we all know he is going to have to make on fishing etc. He clings on, but for how long?


Theory three.


Everyone wakes up and it is 2010 again. It was all just a terrible dream ;)

KidKruger

KidKruger

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And here we have it !

Four years+ in, an oven-ready deal promised a couple of years ago, and we?re here guessing what the Govt is aiming for and what we?ll end-up with - with literally hours to go before discussions end.

Absolutely shameful. And the shape of ?Brexit? seems to be down to personal belief nowadays !

Seabag

Seabag

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Imagine 5 years ago saying we?re going to split from Europe and Boris Johnson will negotiate the deal.


You?d have laughed in disbelief, specially if you?d have added ?and we?ll be in a pandemic where the virus is trying to kill millions?


But no, here we find ourselves. It?s like being asked if you?d rather be shot or stabbed to death.

diable rouge

diable rouge

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A fitting footnote to add to that triptych, would be this eternal tweet written back in Sept 2016, which I presume was a response to Michael Gove's ''The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards''...


EU lays down a royal flush.


UK looks at own cards: Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu, a Shadowmage, a fireball spell, and the Fool

Sue

Sue

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diable rouge Wrote:

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> A fitting footnote to add to that triptych, would

> be this eternal tweet written back in Sept 2016,

> which I presume was a response to Michael Gove's

> ''The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the

> cards''...

>

> EU lays down a royal flush.

>

> UK looks at own cards: Mr Bun the Baker, Pikachu,

> a Shadowmage, a fireball spell, and the Fool



🤣🤣🤣


Hmm, The Fool. About to leap into The Abyss, if memory serves.

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