EU Trade Talks Thread

[keano77]

A headless chicken can run around for a short time after being decapitated. Similarly venomous snakes can still bite after death.

It?s something to do with the nervous system pre-programmed to make certain movements without the brain needing to send a signal.

If you get my drift.

[Sephiroth]

Oh I do keano. I do

Not sure you do

[TheCat]

The water is lovely. I remember u telling me that I would kill people....this is before Covid or no deal. Just becuase of a brexit that you didn't understand......

[Seabag]

This is getting silly

Just sayin?

[katesonic]

Just sayin?

https://fb.watch/2UKXQX9le2/

Turn the sound up...

oh.. and stop after Nicola...

You can guess I'm geeing you guys up for the inevitable...

K.

[Sephiroth]

Given how chilled Cat normally is, and given how much water has passed under the bridge since before covid, a response like that can only mean he is genuinely worried about Brexit himself

But to clarify and for context, any links to me saying you would kill people?

[TheCat]

It's far from the 'only' explanation......

For example, the cat may have had a birthday yesterday, and may have been hammered, and may have been in reflective mood....

But who knows....:)

[Sephiroth]

EDITED: Actually - to save derailing another thread further I've resurrected a birthday thread...

[TheCat]

I can't be bothered searching for the comment when you labelled all leavers as having blood on their hands....but I do remember UT for its sheer hyperbole:).....it was a few years ago...I did have a quick search....and saw this one....

1) we leave the EU - with or without a deal. It will be either hideous or so hideous as to be untenable.

Seems pretty tenable to me....

In other news...Thanks for th birthday thread:)

[Sephiroth]

I?d would say it?s looking very untenable. All you have to do is listen to major companies and hauliers. Oh and trade experts who have reviewed the deal and declared it unfit for 21st century m

But we have a government of liars with a proven record of lying telling us it?s all fine.

So who knows

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> So who knows

Don't go soft now. Keep doom mongering with complete certainty that it's not possible that you might be inaccurate. Finally we have left and I imagine you have mountains of evidence to back up your apocalyptic expectations......

[Sephiroth]

I?m not taking about expectations

I?m talking about what has been happening in the last 8 days.

Not my fault if you don?t want to listen

(Apocalyptic? I didn?t say that. I?m talking about real and serious problems with trade and businesses that aren?t going away. This is very far from the sunlit uplands promised. People like me said there were no sunny uplands and that it would be costly and cause barriers, strife and costs. The more apocalyptic versions were averted by skipping no deal. But it?s still all bad news and no good)

[TheCat]

Revisionism in action.

[KidKruger]

If/when this all turns to shit TheCat, are you gonna hold your hand up and concede that fact - or will it all be ?down to interpretation?.

In short, and before we get to the moment, what will it actually take for you to agree Brexit has failed (if it ever does..) ?

Or as far as you?re concerned, is the ?success? merely the act of leaving Europe and be damned the consequences ?

I?m asking this because it?ll save a lot of interpretive BS in the coming months.

Just answer the question, no distractions.

[TheCat]

If 'it turns to shit' I will indeed put my hand up.

If it doesn't. Will you?

[TheCat]

Just to add though KK..you mention 'in coming months'

The success or otherwise will not be judged in months, but only in tens of years. I have always maintained that there may be transition issues in the short term - I believe people call it 'friction'. So to be clear, no I will not put my hand up after 3-4 months.

But let's chat in 10 years and one of us will put our hand up....

[KidKruger]

TheCat - I desperately hope the future is brighter than it seems due to Brexit, I?m happy to hold my hand up now, in anticipation of that being the case. I so so hope I?m wrong.

TheCat Wrote:

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> If 'it turns to shit' I will indeed put my hand

> up.

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> If it doesn't. Will you?

[KidKruger]

What was the timeline promoted for Brexit benefits to materialise ?

Surely that should set the schedule for when we (one of us) hold our hand up.

TheCat Wrote:

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> Just to add though KK..you mention 'in coming

> months'

>

> The success or otherwise will not be judged in

> months, but only in tens of years. I have always

> maintained that there may be transition issues in

> the short term - I believe people call it

> 'friction'. So to be clear, no I will not put my

> hand up after 3-4 months.

>

> But let's chat in 10 years and one of us will put

> our hand up....

[TheCat]

Remind me of the timeline for 'everything to turn to shit'? That also needs to be factored in to this conversation.

From my perspective. I've said 10 years. That should give us an idea whether the additional flexibility in policy has been useful or not.

From the remainer perspective, will it take 'sunny uplands' for you to concede? Or will a lack of foretold doom be sufficient?

[Sephiroth]

"Revisionism in Action"

Nope

[Sephiroth]

Sunny Uplands for me would be what was promised - hundred of millions for the NHS a week. Billions extra for businesses. All these new laws we can make which make our life better (such as.... ? There are none - airy fairy "flexibility" nonsense aside) and all without breaking up the United Kingdom or terrorism returning to Northern Ireland

What has happened, and will remain in place is more expensive trade. More barriers, More red tape. Worse relations with the EU while pretending "we are friends" but trying to undercut and undermine them at every opportunity

If you are happy to take 10 years of that shit that's up to you - but that is not what was promised and isn't what 17M voted for (some number of that 17M did - but not enough to win a referendum)

Your promises of 10 years before "joy" are as baseless as MAGA - it's a house built on sand

[TheCat]

Here's a good one to illustrate the revisionism....

I guess we'll need to invest in greater prison capacity to house 17m when we're prosecuted.....prosecuted for what I'm not quite sure....but something bad by the sounds of it....

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> prepared to put people through this for decades?

>

> People will die. Be it because of resumption of

> the troubles. Or food/medicine shortages

>

> And you won?t even be embarrassed? You should be

> prosecuted

[Sephiroth]

ah good you found it

so back when we were discussing the potential outcome of the governments own forecasts in a no deal scenario, where, AGAIN, the government, not me predicted those possible outcomes

[TheCat]

Make sure you check your mirrors while you're reversing....

[Sephiroth]

I'm not reversing - just because you say I am doesn't make it so.

The discussion then was around outcome of no deal - that isn't where we are. You KNOW this

where we are avoids the worst excesses but leaves many many problems in place - why do you feel the need to misrepresent me? And why do you get to ignore those problems?