EU Trade Talks Thread

[TheCat]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> like I keep saying - Cat knows. He KNOWS he's

> @#$%& it. I'll bet he has friends and family who

> tell him exactly that as well. But easier to come

> on here and fight with people like me

>

> Years we've been saying Northern Ireland is a

> problem. Years we have been saying trade, farming

> and fishing will be screwed. Not a care in the

> world from Cat- oh but now it's actually real and

> actually happening??? "It's the nasty EU punishing

> us! We need a better deal!!!!"

>

> 4 years of brexit, 2 subsequent elections, 2

> subsequent Tory leaders, several extensions - all

> to prepare and hammer out a better deal - amounted

> to zilch

>

> No self-awareness. No responsibility. Still thinks

> it'll be worth it

>

> Where is this better deal going to come from? What

> will it look like? What form will it take? What

> will UK give up to get better terms and access?

> Who holds all the cards? Not the UK

Change the record mate.

The only one on here 'fighting' is you.

I'm discussing an issue. It seems you spend quite a lot of your time discussing me.

[malumbu]

Perhaps it should be rephrased as 'take a hard line on the UK' in it is as much to show other member states the folly of leaving. It's still a folly but we just have to get used to it (some would say make the best job of it).

[Sephiroth]

Well the current situation is unsustainable.

So what does ?making the best of it? actually mean beyond a comforting phrase?

[Sephiroth]

? I'm discussing an issue?

Very much to the contrary - you are ignoring the issue and instead picking fights with the eu and remainders when all that has happened is that you got what you voted for

The issues are the Irish border, trade volumes massively down, businesss drilling like flies. All predicted and now they are happening you aren?t talking about them

The solution is simple - align yourself with and possibly join Single market and customs union.

[snowy]

And this doesn?t bode well:

https://www.rha.uk.net/getmedia/a17d600a-13f1-4034-b15e-ba021df01bd0/The-Rt-Hon-Michael-Gove-MP-1st-February-2021.pdf.aspx

[diable rouge]

Right in the sweet spot...

The inability to trade freely within your own country (ie between Britain and N.Ireland) is a far more humiliating and stark loss of sovereignty than anything the UK experienced as a member of the EU. Ironically, it is a consequence of Brexit - or of the Brexit deal Johnson chose.

[JohnL]

Gove's got a plan though - and it involves ignoring questions and compiling blacklists

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/freedom-of-information-act-michael-goves-office-cover-up-claims-shows-transparency-more-important-than-ever-861918

[Sephiroth]

"Given the concerns about supply chains, jobs, prices etc, this continued obsession about getting the vaccine a couple of weeks early is flimsy at best and just downright weird. In no way does it constitute any kind of genuine benefit"

This from December stands up well I think (now that 6 EU countries have overtaken UK with double-jab rates)

[JohnL]

Liz truss is the most popular minister in the government however.

She must be favorite to take over if Boris loses it with Rishi.

[wordsworth]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Liz truss is the most popular minister in the

> government however.

>

> She must be favorite to take over if Boris loses

> it with Rishi.

God forbid.

[keano77]

Have I gone mad or just misread the following?

Border checks to enforce air quality rules on solid fuel

Fuel crossing from Northern Ireland will be inspected to enforce new air quality rules from next year, Eamon Ryan has said?

??Given the links between burning of solid fuels and the health effects of air pollution, as well as the potential for market distortion for businesses properly adhering to the regulations, increased multi-agency enforcement and inspections of cross-border fuel movements will be required,? Ryan, the environment minister, said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/border-checks-to-enforce-air-quality-rules-on-solid-fuel-lwx8vfbrb

Has the Irish government thought this one through?

[Sephiroth]

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[Sephiroth]

This from a year ago, and some of the responses, hold up pretty well I think

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,2093860,2174204#msg-2174204

[Sephiroth]

"But to say Boris is a joke is a bit laughable really. "

Still love this line - even when the joke is on us

[Seabag]

keano77 Wrote:

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> Have I gone mad or just misread the following?

>

> Border checks to enforce air quality rules on

> solid fuel

>

> Fuel crossing from Northern Ireland will be

> inspected to enforce new air quality rules from

> next year, Eamon Ryan has said?

>

> ??Given the links between burning of solid fuels

> and the health effects of air pollution, as well

> as the potential for market distortion for

> businesses properly adhering to the regulations,

> increased multi-agency enforcement and inspections

> of cross-border fuel movements will be required,?

> Ryan, the environment minister, said.

>

> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/border-checks-t

> o-enforce-air-quality-rules-on-solid-fuel-lwx8vfbr

> b

>

> Has the Irish government thought this one through?

Not sure if there?s a problem in this?

We?ve increased our own Uk based regs on such things, and rightly so.

All wood must be kiln dried below 20% and DEFRA cert.

Other fuels must pass the DEFRA smokeless fuel test.

[diable rouge]

This from a year ago, and some of the responses, hold up pretty well I think

As does this from two years ago to the day, the crux being if people don't care about being lied to, they'll continue to do it...

https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,2076809,2082607#msg-2082607