COVID-19 Fact or Fiction?

[KidKruger]

Does anybody know where the daily death toll is being reported and whether that toll is actually reported afresh each day ?

BBC state the alleged no invariably, but I'm hoping for a better source.

Ta.

[seenbeen]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Does anybody know where the daily death toll is

> being reported and whether that toll is actually

> reported afresh each day ?

> BBC state the alleged no invariably, but I'm

> hoping for a better source.

> Ta.

I just watch to the daily Downing Street briefing where they report the numbers and show the graphs of the situation up to yesterday. 5pm weekdays + 4pm weekends.

It's quite entertaining to hear the media spin as most of them have obviously not listened to what the government advisers have said over the weeks and they all keep trying to get the minister to speculate on the end of the lockdown, or the nature of the easing of the lockdown. And it is also obvious that they are not looking into the situation themselves but instead pick out stuff to score political points.

They all go on and on about us not doing loads of testing at the beginning when it was clearly stated that the tests we had early on were analyzed and found to be not accurate enough to use and therefore useless.

And https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/testing-kits-heading-uk-contaminated-coronavirus-12481933/

Also they seem to have lost sight of the fact that the problems the UK has are the same problems the rest of the world has.

An interesting piece of information I saw concerning PPE - it is early April but

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/french-officials-describe-assault-course-nations-obtain-protective/

Makes you wonder what happened to our assignment due from Turkey some weeks ago.

Investigative reporting is dead

[diable rouge]

It's quite entertaining to see someone criticise media spin of events, and then source media outlets for their own spin of events...

[TE44]

I believe we are similiarly connected with plants and animals, plants can have viruses which have a similiar behaviour, my plum tree has been infected with a fungus. I am still not clear around the tests being used or the accuracy. has there been a definite identification of the virus. Ive looked a little at RT-pcr test, which i believe looked at genetic material similiar to SARS 1. I don*t know which tests are being used now and I have been surprised with a couple of friends of mine who are working on front line,who do not know either what tests are being used. It would be a step towards understanding if the scientist, government could explain as much as possible in laymans term and keep us up to date with tests being used and how they work. one person can do this. I would find this information helpful instead of this constant delivery of fear and contradictions.

[ianr]

What do you think of, from the transatlantic cousins, the regularly updated Master Question List for COVID-19, from https://www.dhs.gov/publication/st-master-question-list-covid-19? There's also a more practical PANTHR COVID-19 Fact Sheet from https://www.dhs.gov/publication/st-panthr-covid-19-fact-sheet?topic=science-and-technology. See also https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/panthr.

[JohnL]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> It's quite entertaining to hear the media spin as

> most of them have obviously not listened to what

> the government advisers have said over the weeks

> and they all keep trying to get the minister to

> speculate on the end of the lockdown, or the

> nature of the easing of the lockdown. And it is

> also obvious that they are not looking into the

> situation themselves but instead pick out stuff to

> score political points.

an end to some parts of the lockdown is now happening on Monday allegedly. That's without much discussion at all

Is that media pressure or other pressure or are they scared about the economy ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/06/keir-starmer-challenges-pm-boris-johnson-claim-of-coronavirus-success

[Robbie]

https://www.facebook.com/beth.cheriseee/media_set?set=a.10222005538865950&type=3

[Robbie]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Does anybody know where the daily death toll is

> being reported and whether that toll is actually

> reported afresh each day ?

> BBC state the alleged no invariably, but I'm

> hoping for a better source.

> Ta.

I believe the official figures are from Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC)

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

The Office of National Statistics has some insightful data:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26

90% of Covid-19 deaths are aged over 65, and 9 out of 10 deaths had underlying health issues. This naturally raises the question as to why the whole country and economy is on lockdown, rather than just the over 65's and those with health issues.

[malumbu]

Because without lockdown 80% of the population could get it, and that would be several hundred thousand dying. That includes 10s of 1000s without underlying health problems or of older age. Remember the pictures of Italy when they went into meltdown.

[Robbie]

malumbu Wrote:

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> Because without lockdown 80% of the population

> could get it, and that would be several hundred

> thousand dying. That includes 10s of 1000s

> without underlying health problems or of older

> age. Remember the pictures of Italy when they went

> into meltdown.

Do you have a source at all for that 80%? The provisional testing analysis shows that approx. 10% of those tested either currently have or have had it previously so that seems pretty high.

The situation in Northern Italy was very much exacerbated by the lack of medical professionals and equipment. Doctors were placed into a position where they pretty much had to choose who survived. This is according to my Italian housemate who is a Neurologist at Kings, and has gone back home to help out over there.

[TE44]

https://community.oilprice.com/topic/13016-us-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-bill-gates-who-cdc-%E2%80%98predictive-contagion%E2%80%99-model/

Bill gates contagion model is dumped.

[Robbie]

TE44 Wrote:

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> https://community.oilprice.com/topic/13016-us-surg

> eon-general-adams-dumps-bill-gates-who-cdc-%E2%80%

> 98predictive-contagion%E2%80%99-model/

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> Bill gates contagion model is dumped.

I think we all need to be extremely cautious of a man that once infamously stated vaccines will help reduce population growth during his TED Talk, considering how vocal he has been recently in pushing for a vaccine to cure this virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCniev95_Gg

[JohnL]

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> I think we all need to be extremely cautious of a

> man that once infamously stated vaccines will help

> reduce population growth during his TED Talk,

> considering how vocal he has been recently in

> pushing for a vaccine to cure this virus.

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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCniev95_Gg

Snopes is the go to

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/

You can't say reducing the world population growth is killing children that don't exist.

[malumbu]

80% was the figure put around a few weeks ago by politicians a few weeks ago, 4% hospitalization and 1% mortality. Times this by 60 million and you get some very high numbers.

Even 10% of this as a result of no lockdown and other measures would be pretty frightening.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51698000

There is lots of other links with the same numbers but not sure where the original data came from

[KidKruger]

Thanks Robbie

Unfortunately I cannot reconcile yesterday's announced 649 daily deaths (or any day's death toll) with the figures in those charts, which seem to show current daily death tolls below 200 !

I'm sure I'm mis-reading something because it's like data for a different event !

Robbie Wrote:

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> KidKruger Wrote:

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> > Does anybody know where the daily death toll is

> > being reported and whether that toll is

> actually

> > reported afresh each day ?

> > BBC state the alleged no invariably, but I'm

> > hoping for a better source.

> > Ta.

>

>

> I believe the official figures are from Department

> of Health and Social Care (DHSC)

>

> https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-i

> nformation-for-the-public

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>

> The Office of National Statistics has some

> insightful data:

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> https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit

> y/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articl

> es/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26

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> 90% of Covid-19 deaths are aged over 65, and 9 out

> of 10 deaths had underlying health issues. This

> naturally raises the question as to why the whole

> country and economy is on lockdown, rather than

> just the over 65's and those with health issues.

[KidKruger]

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[TE44]

It is a reality for some older and most physically vulnerable people that they are at risk of becoming ill especially around winter time, this is not a new thing, in fact I can't remember a time when pnuemonia and flu were not a risk. I myself fall into this category. Looking at what we are being told makes no sense. Should everyone be in lock down every year to protect the vulnerable. Shoul the vulnerable be told how they must protect themselves and others when the likelyhood of spreading a virus that mostly effects vulnerable. This is a chance people take anyway. Do we want to protecting people from allowing our immune systems to work. I find it makes no sense.

[Robbie]

> Snopes is the go to

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> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vacci

> nations-depopulation/

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> You can't say reducing the world population growth

> is killing children that don't exist.

I agreed - Reducing population growth for me would be via negatively affecting either fertility and/or life expectancy

[diable rouge]

Hope this makes sense TE44. Seasonal flu puts a lot of pressure on the NHS every winter, despite the flu jab reducing the spread and number of people being infected. C19 is far more contagious than seasonal flu and we have no jab for it. The whole point of the lockdown is to prevent the spread and thus avoid overwhelming the NHS and social care services...

[TE44]

Robbie, Its becoming the norm to not allow people with different points of views around this given reality,to speak out, this is including people working within NHS, when they do it is removed. People who have knowledge within science. It is not about differences of opinions anymore its about

Only allowing the given reality.

[TE44]

Sorry DR, You must have posted when I was typing, (I'm slow).flu is pretty contagious as well, I just can't believe if it was contagious as is said, catching it from cash, paper metal, it would have been impossible to stop it spreading. Especially if it was here 3months before lockdown. It is a reality for older vulnerable people the flu jab does not have a good efficiency rate on the whole it doesnt either. We are yet to see the effect the lockdowm has had on velnerable people.

[Robbie]

TE44 Wrote:

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> Robbie, Its becoming the norm to not allow people

> with different points of views around this given

> reality,to speak out, this is including people

> working within NHS, when they do it is removed.

> People who have knowledge within science. It is

> not about differences of opinions anymore its

> about

> Only allowing the given reality.

I agree and it restricts one of the biggest requirements in science - questioning. From what I understand, FB and YouTube are removing any content that contradicts the WHO narrative, which has changed from when this all broke out. This is very dangerous censorship and there have been many stories of doctors and others having their content removed. From their perspective of how serious or not this is, to stories of pressure to falsifying reasons of death due to the extra funding that hospitals receive per Covid death

[diable rouge]

*stories*...

[TE44]

robbie, I put up a very interesting video, not sure if it was this thread or one of the others, you may have seen it although not available now. It was an interview with a scientist DrJudy Mikovits. She is being interviewed tommorrow, i think at night, by Brian Rose ofLondon Real, hopefully I8ll be able to link as they are now using ther own platform after being removed from youtube last week. I saw the 30min video and this woman has experience working closely with these organisations, She was arrested and vever charged but had a5yr gagging order put on her.when I went back to check some things she had said it was gone. this is a story I would like to hear again in more detail. DR. I think by Stories Robbie means stories coming from people involved on the front line who have a different perspective.

[JohnL]

This is the Plandemic ?If a conclusion supports your existing beliefs, you'll rationalize anything that supports it.?

https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/07/plandemic-video-judy-mikovits/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshallshepherd/2020/05/07/why-people-cling-to-conspiracy-theories-like-plandemic/#68eec4c05049

Believe what you want or google "plandemic"