COVID-19 Fact or Fiction?

[seenbeen]

Covid-19 So What?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8665907/Fears-arise-bubonic-plague-spread-China-Mongolia-declares-risk-disease.html?ito=push-notification&ci=30106&si=13475645

[Sephiroth]

The mail has a few Bubonic Plague stories every year

[seenbeen]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> The mail has a few Bubonic Plague stories every

> year

Here's the CNN version then. Luckily I think you have to be bitten by the fleas first.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/07/asia/china-mongolia-bubonic-plague-death-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

[seenbeen]

Oh dear- it's going UP

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/health-secretary-warns-extensive-lockdowns-230154302.html

[Spartacus]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> Oh dear- it's going UP

> https://uk.yahoo.com/news/health-secretary-warns-e

> xtensive-lockdowns-230154302.html

Are you surprised?

people have virtually forgotten about social distancing, others are travelling back from holiday destinations where the numbers are already rising and in a few days schools will go back and we will all be encouraged to go back to the offices.

It's a shame that we aren't learning the mistakes made from countries like Spain and France where the numbers are already rising and trying to avoid the same mistakes here.

[JohnL]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> Oh dear- it's going UP

> https://uk.yahoo.com/news/health-secretary-warns-e

> xtensive-lockdowns-230154302.html

With Hancock I had horrible visions then.

[Blah Blah]

France is beginning to see the start of an exponential increase in new cases and there is no reason to think that won't happen here or anywhere else. It matters who is getting infected also though. So hospital admissions and deaths have to be considered in assessing this.

[Robbie]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

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> > A cat has come down with Covid-19. Don't ask

> meow.

>

> OMG

> The poor kitty , will it recover ?

> If dogs get it do they feel wruff ?

Stop horsing around you two this is neigh place for puns

[Robbie]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> France is beginning to see the start of an

> exponential increase in new cases and there is no

> reason to think that won't happen here or anywhere

> else. It matters who is getting infected also

> though. So hospital admissions and deaths have to

> be considered in assessing this.

I agree. Spain have also seen an increase in cases lately.

However, fatality rates as a % of confirmed cases have plummeted dramatically. Looking at the data from 28/08 - France is now at around 0.5% compared to 11% overall, Spain 0.25% compared to 6.75% and here in the UK 0.7% compared to 12.5%.

More widespread testing, especially amongst those less vulnerable will have contributed to this I'm sure.

Does anyone have a link that shows the number of tests at all? Would be interesting to also see the positive test %

[nxjen]

Could the fatality rate also have plummeted because the most vulnerable and the elderly are still shielding or at least not taking part in activities where they could be at risk?

[Robbie]

nxjen Wrote:

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> Could the fatality rate also have plummeted

> because the most vulnerable and the elderly are

> still shielding or at least not taking part in

> activities where they could be at risk?

Possible, plus those most vulnerable having unfortunately succumbed to it already. Also, the virus may have mutated far enough to no longer be deadly per se. It was downgraded to no longer be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK back in March once more was known.

[seenbeen]

nxjen Wrote:

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> Could the fatality rate also have plummeted

> because the most vulnerable and the elderly are

> still shielding or at least not taking part in

> activities where they could be at risk?

I think so. A 66 year old relative who attended meetings and activities on a daily basis is doing very little in person. It's all Zoom meetings with other elderly and vulnerable people.

It is noticeable that there have been fewer elderly out and about since the start of the epidemic.

[caz]

I fall into the clinically vulnerable and elderly bracket as do other friends. I'm still living a pretty much shielding life with the odd very cautious tiptoe back out into the world. Same as my friends who I haven't physically seen since early March. TBH can't see that changing for a long while sadly.

[Spartacus]

Sigh

This story shows how easy it is to catch and if caught how it can be spread to 180 others :BBC News - Coronavirus: Cases on Tui flight from Zante to Cardiff

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53966897

[Robbie]

Spartacus Wrote:

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> Sigh

> This story shows how easy it is to catch and if

> caught how it can be spread to 180 others :BBC

> News - Coronavirus: Cases on Tui flight from Zante

> to Cardiff

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-53966897

I would have thought 7 out of 193 people to be a very low number considering how closely knit they would have been in a plane for hours. That's if any of them caught it off of each other too from that plane journey too.

[Blah Blah]

Will be interesting to see if that number of 7 has risen after 14 days - the incubation period after catching the virus. That would be a useful measure of risk on flights that contain infected people.

[JohnL]

Piers Corbyn has been arrested and fined 10K after the London march denying Covid-19 exists

"He was punished, according to the Health Protection Regulations, for holding a gathering of more than 30 people in an outdoor place, Scotland Yard said."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/trafalgar-square-antilockdown-man-73-handed-10000-fine-a4536441.html

[Robbie]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Piers Corbyn has been arrested and fined 10K after

> the London march denying Covid-19 exists

>

> "He was punished, according to the Health

> Protection Regulations, for holding a gathering of

> more than 30 people in an outdoor place, Scotland

> Yard said."

>

> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/trafalgar-s

> quare-antilockdown-man-73-handed-10000-fine-a45364

> 41.html

Whatever people's beliefs are about the lockdowns (many courts across the world have ruled that they were illegal) this is disgraceful. I doubt that they also went after organisers of local BLM protests or the NHS clapping on London Bridge months ago. Tyranny and suppression anyone?

[j.a.]

It?s not tyranny and suppression, it?s a law bought in to deal with the raves that have been happening, and it didn?t exist until recently otherwise I pretty sure they would?ve used it against anyone. The govt wants the money after all.

Quite a lot of rave organisers also got hit with it this weekend.

Piers knew exactly what he was doing, it?s great PR for him, and I?ve no doubt a GoFundMe page will pay the fine.

Tyranny and suppression is what?s going on in Belarus.

[seenbeen]

Robbie Wrote:

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> JohnL Wrote:

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> > Piers Corbyn has been arrested and fined 10K

> after

> > the London march denying Covid-19 exists

> >

> > "He was punished, according to the Health

> > Protection Regulations, for holding a gathering

> of

> > more than 30 people in an outdoor place,

> Scotland

> > Yard said."

> >

> >

> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/trafalgar-s

>

> >

> quare-antilockdown-man-73-handed-10000-fine-a45364

>

> > 41.html

>

> Whatever people's beliefs are about the lockdowns

> (many courts across the world have ruled that they

> were illegal) this is disgraceful. I doubt that

> they also went after organisers of local BLM

> protests or the NHS clapping on London Bridge

> months ago. Tyranny and suppression anyone?

They didn't go after the BLM protests because it would have led to full scale riots.

They didn't go after the NHS clapping because they would have been labelled 'killjoys' or wtte

The people at the demo today were a mixture of quiet, usually law-abiding people in the main who want their normal lives back.....sitting ducks I suppose

[seenbeen]

Be interesting to see if any of these people get a ?10,000 fine!

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/million-people-march-protesters-gather-122502095.html

[j.a.]

But it?s worth pointing out this law very specifically targets only the organisers of such events. Nobody else is involved.

?10K is a paltry amount to the organisers of the Trafalgar Square demo.

[Robbie]

j.a. Wrote:

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> It?s not tyranny and suppression, it?s a law

> bought in to deal with the raves that have been

> happening, and it didn?t exist until recently

> otherwise I pretty sure they would?ve used it

> against anyone. The govt wants the money after

> all.

>

> Quite a lot of rave organisers also got hit with

> it this weekend.

>

> Piers knew exactly what he was doing, it?s great

> PR for him, and I?ve no doubt a GoFundMe page will

> pay the fine.

>

> Tyranny and suppression is what?s going on in

> Belarus.

My understanding is that the law was brought in for public health reasons, it doen't differentiate between what the intentions of the gatherings were for.

Considering this was a demonstration against actions taken by the government, this the very definition of tyranny and supression in my opinion.

[Robbie]

> They didn't go after the BLM protests because it

> would have led to full scale riots.

> They didn't go after the NHS clapping because they

> would have been labelled 'killjoys' or wtte

> The people at the demo today were a mixture of

> quiet, usually law-abiding people in the main who

> want their normal lives back.....sitting ducks I

> suppose

Of course that's why, and understandable to a degree. But law is law. Applying discretion as to who it is to be enforced against is just asking for trouble. Either scrap it altogether or apply it consistently.

[j.a.]

Well, I understand you have strong feelings on the matter, but consider this.

Over a thousand people turned up, listened to speeches, voiced their opinion and went home. No tear gas, no baton charges, no rubber bullets, no one was kettled.

Piers Corbyn is free - and is going to - appeal the fine through the legal system.

Honestly, that doesn?t look much like tyranny and suppression to me.