COVID-19 Fact or Fiction?

[Blah Blah]

The issue with alcohol though is one of drunk people forgetting the restrictions that are in place. It was entirely predictable and government I suspect, caved into lobbying from the likes of Tim Martin, over really asking if people could suddenly become responsible around alcohol. Last night I took a walk through the West End on my way home. While it is quieter than usual, there were still plenty of young unconcerned revelers pub crawling. Imagine how that will go at the height of the flu season! I would think closing pubs and restaurants completely is a no brainer - a question of when, not if.

[JohnL]

Here's the leak on a two week London lockdown.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/emergency-lockdown-london-north-england-socialising-household-mixing-a4557601.html

In Wales I notice pubs are having licensing suspended if they break the rules.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/swansea-bar-closed-immediate-effect-19006786

[Robbie]

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> Here's the leak on a two week London lockdown.

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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/emergency-lockd

> own-london-north-england-socialising-household-mix

> ing-a4557601.html

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> In Wales I notice pubs are having licensing

> suspended if they break the rules.

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> https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/swan

> sea-bar-closed-immediate-effect-19006786

Under the new emergency lockdown, all bars, restaurants and pubs would be told to shut for two weeks initially, while households would be banned indefinitely from meeting indoors, the Times reports.

As part of the social lockdown, ministers reportedly said schools, offices, and shops would stay open.

Surely it should be the other way around? I can't have a family member visit me, but I can get on public tranporta nd travel to work in a building containing thousands of people? Makes no sense whatsoever

[Robbie]

Can anyone here share any insight into false positive rates and how that affects the figures?

Dr Mike Yeadon, the former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd, explains how the reported number of cases is actually a lot lower than we are being told.

[Spartacus]

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> > Here's the leak on a two week London lockdown.

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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/emergency-lockd

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> own-london-north-england-socialising-household-mix

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> > ing-a4557601.html

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> > In Wales I notice pubs are having licensing

> > suspended if they break the rules.

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> https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/swan

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> > sea-bar-closed-immediate-effect-19006786

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> Under the new emergency lockdown, all bars,

> restaurants and pubs would be told to shut for two

> weeks initially, while households would be banned

> indefinitely from meeting indoors, the Times

> reports.

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> As part of the social lockdown, ministers

> reportedly said schools, offices, and shops would

> stay open.

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> Surely it should be the other way around? I can't

> have a family member visit me, but I can get on

> public tranporta nd travel to work in a building

> containing thousands of people? Makes no sense

> whatsoever

Just think, you could be travelling to work on Air Force One where one person can spread it to their boss and family 🤔

But agree , that work and travel does present a risk which is why we are now being asked to work from home if we can. A reverse of the thinking a month ago of go to the office if you can.

I guess regardless we all have our own part to play in suppressing this virus and flouting the rules because we don't agree with them won't help break the chain.

[JohnL]

I think soap is OK if you rub it in (soap kills the virus I'm pretty sure). Washing up liquid will do too :)

[Robbie]

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> https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/emergency-lockd

That link has just been removed, it was there no more than an hour ago.

Can't really blame people for breaking the rule when Boris's dad, Corbyn and other politicians get caught not following them.

[Blah Blah]

Yes JohnL, ordinary soap is enough to break down the membrane of the virus. The key thing is to rub the soap in for long enough, hence the public information film that suggested singing a tune while doing that. Two minutes is ample time for the soap to do the job. So I would say, if you have the time, do the 2 min soap wash. If you are in a hurry, or have no access to a sink, use the hand sanitiser.

[diable rouge]

Obviously the longer the better, but wasn't the official advice 20 secs?...

[JohnL]

Just saw an angry (for him) outburst from the speaker about responsibility of those in public life.

He seems to be going a little Bercow recently (taking a public role and louder in the house of commons) - and i think good for him.

[JohnL]

770 students in Northumbria University test positive.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/northumbria-university-students-positive-coronavirus-a4562261.html

[JohnL]

"The president has been injected with an experimental cocktail of drugs"

Make of that what you will.

[Robbie]

I don't believe Trump is in hospital at all.

The video he released prior to leaving for the hospital was using a green screen.

The video he released last night from hospital appears to be at sea, judging by the moving background. There is background noise throughout which appears to be an engine of some sort.

A ploy to gain sympathy votes perhaps?

[Blah Blah]

You better hope he doesn't die Robbie. But I am sure you will have some conspiracy theory up your sleeve to explain that too. Get your head out of the Q Anon bubble. There is a real world out there where people really do get ill (most of the campaign team from the Whitehouse in fact). I suggest you start living in it.

[Robbie]

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> You better hope he doesn't die Robbie.

I hope no-one dies, and this has nothing to do with QAnon. Stop labelling everything that gets questioned as being a part of it. You're worse than the media.

I feel it's either a ploy, or that his condition may be a lot worse than it currently is. I'm going with the former due to the 2 videos released.

I think you know that I'm a fan of Trump. I'm doubting the accuracy of the current reporting and calling him fake news!

[Blah Blah]

Says the person who listed key components of Q Anon to make some argument of a conspiracy in play. You fool no-one Robbie. You also know perfectly well that Q Anon is an invention of a hardcore Trump fan group, but you are so deep into it that you can not see truth from fantasy anymore.

That you also can not tell the difference between a video shot on a gimbal, and one using a locked off tripod is also telling ;)

[JohnL]

I think Pence might be worse than Trumnp. He's Trump with a radical religous conviction.

The White House staff are in panic apparently, The super spreader event was supposedly the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett as nominee for the supreme court.

[TE44]

https://www.weblyf.com/2020/09/transcript-of-dr-heiko-schonings-interview-after-his-release-from-uk-prison/

A link Dr Heiko Schoning, German doctor arrested after Trafalgar Square demo.

[Blah Blah]

Given that half the top people in the campaign team are now testing positive John L, it presents some major problems for the campaign. One other is also in hospital, so even if Trump pulls through (easily or otherwise), if anyone else dies or experiences serious illness, there will be major consequences for the campaign. These are people who played down every stage and facet of this pandemic, and Trump himself has been just disrespectful at times. Will they change direction in their messaging now? We shall see.

[Robbie]

'At least 11 positive coronavirus tests can be traced to members of the media or organizers of this week's presidential debate in Cleveland, city and clinic officials said Friday'

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/11-positive-coronavirus-tests-traced-presidential-debate-cleveland-officials-say-n1241841?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

[Blah Blah]

And so what? That is what a virus does, jumps from person to person. Some people can be even completely asymptomatic and shed huge loads of virus, and that is precisely why all the stuff about social distancing, masks and washing hands is in play. But for some reason, a whole bunch of people at the Whitehouse think none of that applies to them, and yes, that may also include some visitors from the media. In that case, what did you think was going to happen once Trump and his team started active campaigning? Going to rallies? Engaging with a wider public? Do you really think an invisible virus was going to say 'hey boys, don't touch the President and his team'. Do you ever stop seeing conspiracies in anything?

[Robbie]

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> And so what?

The nominee confirmation event may not have been the super spreader event as you stated. Was it that hard to understand?

Do you ever stop seeing conspiracies in

> anything?

I don't blindly believe everything that I'm told to believe like you do, no.

[Blah Blah]

So that is a yes then. Everything is a conspiracy to you.

The only fact here, is that most of Trump's campaign team, went into active campaigning with complete disregard for the advice sensible people have been following for months, and low and behold, caught the virus. That should be perfectly easy to understand.

[Robbie]

Trump and his team have been perfectly fine for months. Get close to Biden and his team in an environment outside of their control and low and behold, caught the virus. Not so straightforward when you view that perspective huh.

[Blah Blah]

And there you go again, making stuff up. Yet not a single person in Biden's team has tested positive. Funny that eh? Not to mention your complete inability to understand how the virus spreads it seems.