Is lockdown in ED basically over?

[NewWave]

Monkey Wrote:

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> We?re continuing to keep safe as are our friends

> and family and will not be sending our daughter

> back to school. My parents in law - who are

> sticking to the rules religiously and being

> laughed at by their neighbours and ?friends? for

> doing so - are very sad not to see their

> grandchildren. Cummings?s and Johnson?s impossibly

> entitled behaviour are another kick in the teeth

> for them. Forget the joggers and look at what?s

> happening at the top.

Yup!

[NewWave]

Growlybear Wrote:

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> I'm not sure the lockdown ever really began for my

> neighbours. They have had a nanny going in to

> look after their children every week day since the

> beginning of the lockdown, despite neither of them

> being key workers. They've had yet another

> gathering today, with several other couples inside

> the house and in the garden, with several young

> children playing closely together in the garden

> and also going off inside. To make things worse,

> I saw some of the adults picking up and hugging

> other people's children. When they catch the

> virus in the second wave, which I am sure will

> come, I suppose these same selfish idiots will

> expect to be treated by the doctors and nurses who

> have put their own lives on the line for months

> now to save people who have been infected.

This makes me so angry its the entitlement of those sorts of people.

where as I and others are on furlough worrying about our job security unable to see loved ones living on reduced incomes and reduced socialisation they consider themselves untouchable and unable to forfeit their cleaners and their little get-togethers.

people like that make me puke and are a danger to themselves and the rest of us.

[Monkey]

Seenbeen, what was he supposed to do? STAY HOME. Just imagine if all UK parents had hit the roads because they feared they might be sick, he even got back to the office after visiting his sick wife at the end of March. His kid went to hospital up North. He?s an idiot. And yes this distracts from other issues such as the app etc... that?s why he should resign now.

[seenbeen]

Monkey Wrote:

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> Seenbeen, what was he supposed to do? STAY HOME.

> Just imagine if all UK parents had hit the roads

> because they feared they might be sick, he even

> got back to the office after visiting his sick

> wife at the end of March. His kid went to hospital

> up North. He?s an idiot. And yes this distracts

> from other issues such as the app etc... that?s

> why he should resign now.

My next door neighbours upped and left on 19th March fyi,and have not been back. Also, if he had stayed at home and they had both got too sick what was going to happen to the child? Do they get a stranger in to look after him and subject that person to the virus in their home? I cannot understand how the DC detractors do not UNDERSTAND what he did....as a parent I understand and if my kids were small I would have had to do the same....my sister lives miles away- and if she was ill I'd allow her kid to come to me or I'd have picked her up....it's what families do and he did not have contact with anyone else- unlike the hordes in the park and on Alleyns field.

Would he have risked foisting the child onto social services? Well, would you- I certainly wouldn't- by the time they turned up he and his wife would be in hospital and then been prosecuted for leaving a 4 year old on their own at risk!

Just because he showed common sense and remember he did NOT meet anyone else...unlike the groups of teens and young men hanging around the back streets and playing footie in ED

Seeing what is going on around here, first Brockwell park had to be closed, then all the open spaces now are littered with rubbish and human excrement.

And since day 1 99% of the joggers around here have been puffing and panting over everyone.

This demonisation of Dominic Cummings is purely political- you only have to see the body language and tone of voice of the press vultures to see and hear where they are coming from....and I daresay 80% of the posters on the ED...if not more.

[ED Bird]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> This demonisation of Dominic Cummings is purely

> political- you only have to see the body language

> and tone of voice of the press vultures to see and

> hear where they are coming from....and I daresay

> 80% of the posters on the ED...if not more.

Well, if this is how labour-voting East Dulwich responds to a pandemic I can't say I'm impressed.

[Cyclemonkey]

So you are furious about people with no or small gardens using a local open space to exercise (which is entirely within the rules) but cool with a man driving 250 miles across the country when he and his wife have Covid 19 symptoms?

Yes. That is reasonable.

As for what he could have done if genuinely concerned about the welfare of his child - use one of his London based family members? Ask his well sister to drive down and collect his don?

[Monkey]

Cummings?s situation was no different from other parents? except:

- Cummings has family members in London.

- He also has a very big house in which it?s easier than in most for members to self isolate.

My neighbours with young twins and a little boy have stayed put. Looks like they?re made of stronger stuff than Cummings.

The government has done a shitty job at drawing up the rules and implementing them. I?m still social distancing and honestly feel like a mug.

And if you think ED was bad, what I?m hearing from my in-laws in the provinces is 10 times worse. People inviting themselves in at my in-laws, explaining to my in-laws that ?the rules don?t apply to us?, huge funerals with people mingling...

[JohnL]

It's happened before where cabinet ministers have behaved differently and been accountable to different rules. Remember the M4 bus lane which became the then cabinets private route into London.

Alister Campbell claims that there is however a special government department for senior government employees who's job is exactly what Cummings claims he didn't have.

[JohnL]

Difference in emphasis in England and Wales creates different levels of going out.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/bank-holiday-beaches-bournemouth-england-18307709

[diable rouge]

seenbeen Wrote:

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> My next door neighbours upped and left on 19th

> March fyi,and have not been back.

And your point is? They left before the lockdown was implemented, Cummings left after. Total false equivalence.

> Also, if he had

> stayed at home and they had both got too sick what

> was going to happen to the child? Do they get a

> stranger in to look after him and subject that

> person to the virus in their home?

'If' is doing a lot of work here. That 'if' was made by every parent in the country, even more so by single parents. The vast majority of them stuck to the guidance and rules as laid out by the Gov of which he is a major player in. So for Cummings it was 'do as I say, not as I do'.

> I cannot

> understand how the DC detractors do not UNDERSTAND

> what he did....as a parent I understand and if my

> kids were small I would have had to do the

> same....my sister lives miles away- and if she was

> ill I'd allow her kid to come to me or I'd have

> picked her up....it's what families do and he did

> not have contact with anyone else- unlike the

> hordes in the park and on Alleyns field.

Cummings is a very well-off, well connected man, has close family in London, and a large network of close friends, work colleagues and neighbours. The rule was simple, if someone in a family shows symptoms, self-isolate at home for 14 days. As I've mentioned before in a previous reply to one of your posts, he lives in a large house and there would be no problem for his wife to have self-isolated.

The whole premise of going to Durham was for childcare reasons. He failed that several times.

Firstly, the science clearly shows that driving in a car with an infected person for a long period of time, in this case around 5 hours, is high risk in terms of passing on the virus. Far greater than one person self-isolating in a bedroom. He would've known this having attended SAGE meetings and hearing all the scientific advice and what was the best way to deal with containing the spread.

Secondly, according to his wife's diary for the Spectator, while Cummings lay ill in bed they allowed their son close contact with him, playing at doctor and offering him a medicinal Ribena. So much for childcare and minimising the risk of their son catching the virus.

Then there's the latest bizarre revelation that Cummings drove his car knowing he had problems with his vision while his son was a passenger. What an irresponsible thing to do to put a child's life at risk like that. No common sense for the safety of the child whatsoever.

> Would he have risked foisting the child onto

> social services? Well, would you- I certainly

> wouldn't- by the time they turned up he and his

> wife would be in hospital and then been prosecuted

> for leaving a 4 year old on their own at risk!

For reasons stated above this is a nonsensical premise. Completely irrelevant and not based on the reality of Cummings' lifestyle.

> Just because he showed common sense and remember

> he did NOT meet anyone else...unlike the groups of

> teens and young men hanging around the back

> streets and playing footie in ED....

Yet more pointless false equivalence.

As for common sense, he clearly put his child's health at risk by the actions he took. The sensible thing to do was to self-isolate as the guidance and rules which he helped draw up stipulated. The slogan 'Stay Home' was his. It's this hypocrisy that people are rightly angered with.

>

> This demonisation of Dominic Cummings is purely

> political- you only have to see the body language

> and tone of voice of the press vultures to see and

> hear where they are coming from....and I daresay

> 80% of the posters on the ED...if not more.

People of all political persuasions are angry at what he did. Conservative MPs have called for his resignation, and at the time of writing a minister has resigned.

This is not about right versus left, rather right versus wrong...

[ianr]

diable rouge> The slogan 'Stay Home' was his.

Do you have any sources for this? A quick search brings up a fairly detailed article, "The story behind 'Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives'", https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/01/story-behind-stay-home-protect-nhs-save-lives/, in which there's not even a mention of Cummings.

[diable rouge]

I've seen it referenced in journalistic articles since the story broke. Feel free to do further research...

[ianr]

I'm not your research assistant or article writer.

[diable rouge]

Neither am I yours...

[edcam]

Cunmmings should have done what the vast majority of people with children have done, stay at home. If he and his wife had become too ill to look after their child, this niece he's going on about would surely have been allowed to come down and help. Failing that it's impossible to imagine that aid wouldn't have been provided by the government for someone in his position.

Stop making excuses for that arsehole.

[diable rouge]

ianr, I've looked through my browsing history and there are numerous links to Twitter accounts, which are not prone to show up in generic Google searches. The bit of an article that I read that stuck in my mind referred to him being the mastermind behind the original lockdown slogan, and cited his part in the Leave campaign and their slogans, in particular 'Take Back Control'. Therefore I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to say that Cummings would've played a big part in the lockdown campaign and slogan. And judging by the reaction of the PM and his cabinet in trying to save his job, he obviously carries a lot of sway for them to risk all the political goodwill which they have. If it bothers you so much I'm quite happy to change ''his'' to ''the Gov's'', bearing in mind that the point I was making still stands, that is, by his actions he has been a hypocrite...

[JohnL]

edcam Wrote:

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> Cunmmings should have done what the vast majority

> of people with children have done, stay at home.

> If he and his wife had become too ill to look

> after their child, this niece he's going on about

> would surely have been allowed to come down and

> help. Failing that it's impossible to imagine

> that aid wouldn't have been provided by the

> government for someone in his position.

>

> Stop making excuses for that arsehole.

His reason for not staying in London appear to be he feared for his life from Remainers and Starministas.

[diable rouge]

Starministas? Have you just come up with that or is that a thing?...

[teddyboy23]

Understand why many people don't approve. But you've got a large group of reporters out side his house on the pavement all huddled together no social distancing.understand they want answers who knows if any of them are carriers or could infect each other.understand its big news. And its their job but trying to get answers from someone who broke the rules while breaking some their self's or did they all not see each other

[Seabag]

Lock down (fcuked) over

COVID-19 isn?t over

Figure the rest

[Cyclemonkey]

Lockdown has been compromised because of the a tions of Cummings and the Government's idiotic defence of him.

[JohnL]

diable rouge Wrote:

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> Starministas? Have you just come up with that or

> is that a thing?...

Seems to be a thing (in jest) but I can't see a gang of them (and Remainers) attacking Cummings.

[Sephiroth]

Starm Troopers surely?

[JohnL]

Sephiroth Wrote:

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> Starm Troopers surely?

Oh yes that's much better

[diable rouge]

No it's not, they're on the dark side... :)