Gazebos and barbecues in Peckham Rye

[Coman]

I have just come back from a late night jog and there were at least two gatherings in the park of more than 20 people.

These includes gazebos, barbecues and outdoor music.

How are the councils and mayor allowing these events to run while forcing nightclubs, casinos and other late night venues to remain closed. It is not fair to the local economy

[alice]

The park is outdoors.

[Countrlass22]

Not allowed council owned land

States no bbq music unless licensed event patrolled by council

[Lemming]

I have observed these gathering also, but have instead attempted to use some empathy and common sense.

Let's say, you're 23. You live in shared accommodation with limited space, and perhaps with no outside space. All the places you used to go to socialise (if you could even afford it back then, from time to time) - bars, pubs, clubs - are shut, or make less sense than a trip to the park in terms of safety. And let's face it - socialising when you're younger is basically 'it'. You're general future is looking pretty bleak. the weather is however, for once, looking great.

You and your friends have the organisation and enthusiasm to carry food, a table, drinks and a little boom box deep into a relatively unpopulated park, where you can avoid going stir crazy but for a few hours - by doing something relatively normal without impinging upon anyone else's life to any great degree - and only mildly impinging upon a series of convoluted, senseless and ever-changing rules unenforced by a shambolic government who doesn't seem to know their arse from their elbow.

Fine by me.

[Spartacus]

Wasn't yesterday "Love Parks" day ?

Maybe it was all related to that event 😎

[first mate]

Yes, agree with this, so long as not keeping people awake and clear up any rubbish afterwards seems fair enough.

Lemming Wrote:

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> I have observed these gathering also, but have

> instead attempted to use some empathy and common

> sense.

>

> Let's say, you're 23. You live in shared

> accommodation with limited space, and perhaps with

> no outside space. All the places you used to go to

> socialise (if you could even afford it back then,

> from time to time) - bars, pubs, clubs - are shut,

> or make less sense than a trip to the park in

> terms of safety. And let's face it - socialising

> when you're younger is basically 'it'. You're

> general future is looking pretty bleak. the

> weather is however, for once, looking great.

>

> You and your friends have the organisation and

> enthusiasm to carry food, a table, drinks and a

> little boom box deep into a relatively unpopulated

> park, where you can avoid going stir crazy but for

> a few hours - by doing something relatively normal

> without impinging upon anyone else's life to any

> great degree - and only mildly impinging upon a

> series of convoluted, senseless and ever-changing

> rules unenforced by a shambolic government who

> doesn't seem to know their arse from their elbow.

>

>

> Fine by me.

[Lemming]

first mate Wrote:

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> Yes, agree with this, so long as not keeping

> people awake and clear up any rubbish afterwards

> seems fair enough.

Indeed. Rubbish is annoying. Though (as I think everyone has seen from what's left at some of the not-too-far-beaches after 'family' days out) abandoning your crap when you leave is 'not' restricted to the younger generation. Lack of consideration (or an abundance of empathy) is not governed by age. FWIW when I've been there all the 'yoot' I've seen have scrupulously picked-up everything before they've departed though I accept not everyone will.

[Lemming]

Hopefully though - when things do get back to normal, these young people can get down the casinos, nightclubs and bars with their ?8.72 / hour just like they used to. Assuming they can find a job.

[JohnL]

Lemming Wrote:

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> first mate Wrote:

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> > Yes, agree with this, so long as not keeping

> > people awake and clear up any rubbish

> afterwards

> > seems fair enough.

>

> Indeed. Rubbish is annoying. Though (as I think

> everyone has seen from what's left at some of the

> not-too-far-beaches after 'family' days out)

> abandoning your crap when you leave is 'not'

> restricted to the younger generation. Lack of

> consideration (or an abundance of empathy) is not

> governed by age. FWIW when I've been there all the

> 'yoot' I've seen have scrupulously picked-up

> everything before they've departed though I accept

> not everyone will.

Well 3:00AM you get people kicking rubbish put out by businesses around here (I think they play bin football).

The binmen just pick it all up loose in the morning. If they didn't you'd be walking up Rye Lane knee deep in rubbish after a day or two.

[Coman]

It is also fine by me, provided the events are somehow controlled from becoming a nuisance (keep in mind that there is no door security as such.) Also that there is no littler caused, (let's say that can also be controlled even though there are no cleaners.)

My point was less about the park events and more about lockdown. I guess you have responded that the events are outdoors, so the health is not really the issue I imagined.

I seem to have been outvoted here, so perhaps the licensing laws do need relaxation. It occurred to me that unscheduled park events could get out of hand and lead to incidence of crime. I will just jog on

[KidKruger]

I think it's a fair comment on social gatherings which are patently not distanced events and infection can very well occur.

I saw a massive gathering at Dulwich Park last week, near the cricket bowling nets, I'd say 50-60 people at least, gazebo, cooked food being prepared, chairs and tables, certainly not distanced. You do fear for peoples' health.

[dontbesilly]

I think they may as well allow BBQ's on the common, but only if they provide proper bins for you to dispose of the hot coals. I have had to resort to pouring the residue down drains on the side of the road, lest a bin catch fire from pouring them in there. At least with beer cans etc, you know that if a few of those are left behind the council worker in the morning will clear up the strays, but with BBQ coals they will just burn the grass or melt the bins.

[Earl Aelfheah]

The rules still state that you should only meet outdoors in a group of up to six people from different households (at least as I understand it).

[alice]

Larger groups are possible as 2 household bubbles can meet.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Ah, yes, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying Alice.

[Lemming]

No doubt there's some infringement of the rules (whateverthehell they are today/yesterday/tomorrow) going on.. but in all honesty, beats me how anyone thinks our office-based-service-industry-face-to-face-rush-hour-commuting-globalised-city economy is about to spring back to life (at the beginning of the worst recession for 250 years) if a couple of dozen people in the park who walked to get - are going to cause serious consternation.

I fear the end of furlough is about to clarify priorities for more than a few people.

[Chunx]

alice Wrote:

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> The park is outdoors.

Southwark parks have stated to me BBQ?s and open fires are currently NOT permitted in/on any of their parks or open spaces. Including those with usually permitted BBQ areas.

[Nigello]

If the council were to allow or turn an official blind eye to BBQs and larger-than-allowed gatherings it would then rob it of any authority as regards any of its other responsibilithways, social care, education. Large gatherings - marches, parties, weddings, religious services - are by very dint of their size more likely to spread a virus than if they didn't take place. Imagine the chagrin and regret of someone who infected their mother or grandfather because they couldn't refuse the lure of a glass of warm lager and undercooked burger!

[seenbeen]

There is a massive list of bye-laws associated with using a park.

[dontbesilly]

Chunx Wrote:

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> alice Wrote:

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> > The park is outdoors.

>

> Southwark parks have stated to me BBQ?s and open

> fires are currently NOT permitted in/on any of

> their parks or open spaces. Including those with

> usually permitted BBQ areas.

So what, i think at the current time pernickity rules without merit like this one can be ignored.

[Coman]

I wondered if anyone had attended an event like these. Are they being held because:

Housing estates have inadequate communal outdoor areas; or

because doing something a bit wrong adds to the buzz of the party?

If an event causes an accident to a passer by, (such a gazebo getting blown over by the wind or a hot coals getting tipped over by a drunken gatecrasher) who holds public liability insurance?

[alice]

Communal outdoor area? Yr making a lot of assumptions.

[bsand]

I'm with Lemming on this one - we have a big garden and a beautiful kitchen and are retired. It would be churlish of me to condemn others less fortunate a bit of what seems to be fairly innocent and relatively safe enjoyment in these troubled times.

[Coman]

OK.

My original idea was about trying to regenerate business in the area by licensing what is obviously a demand.

But I can see that my agenda is not openly supported

Thanks for your feedback.

[Metallic]

Dulwich Park "hosted" a giant party yesterday and the noise was people having fun, but a bit anti-social. Feel for those without gardens and balconies, let a bit of love your neighbour prevail during these times.