Jump to content

Recommended Posts

According to a teacher at my school, Ladies always referred to one another as 'women'; Charwomen always referred to one another as 'ladies'


And I've never understood why, in golf clubs, they have a Men's section and a Ladies' section. Surely it should be either Men and Women or Gentlemen and Ladies?

TheArtfulDogger Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> My father used to call women he didn't know

> sweetheart or darling

>

> Thankfully that sort of behaviour is dying out

> these days

>

> Thankfully and soon, love, there will be no more

> talk like that


Happy with any of the above - they make me smile.


Not too keen on 'dear' though, although it doesn't keep me awake at night.



No your father was a gentleman that is dying out these days

I couldn't possibly, just reading this thread has made me come over all weak and I'm

not sure my pretty little head can deal with it all.

RosieH has put the argument much more succinctly than me.

Also, could people stop accusing me (or others) about getting het up - next you'll be suggesting we have hysterectomies.

Alan Medic Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> RosieH Wrote:

>

> > "Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility,

> > refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole

> set

> > of messages that piss women off because men

> aren't

> > subjected to the same set of expectations.

>

> 'Loaded term' my elbo. Only in your head. Strange

> creatures as *Bob* said.


Only in my head? And Asset's? And Katienumbers'? And every other woman who dislikes it.


You're right, you're right, of course you are. Silly old me, to try to tell a man what it is to be a woman, when of course he knows best. (of course, the OED definition was probably written by a silly little woman who didn't know what's what either).


You know how a St George's Cross is sometimes seen as a sign of racism? That's all in my head too of course! What a dolt I've been. What a clever chap you are, with what a sound grounding in semiotics.


I'm off to burn my Lacan in the hearth to make a fire for my husband's tea. But I'll probably have to get him to strike the matches.

"Lady" is a loaded term - it implies

gentility,

> > refinement, delicacy"



To be fair, the vast majority of people who use the word probably don't intend to convey any of that stuff, so is it fair to load their words with the things that you find offensive. Most people will use lady because it is part of the vocabulary they have grown up with.

Otta, I'm not foaming at the mouth about this, but the point is that sexism is embedded in our culture. I'd really rather it wasn't.


I'm not having a massive go at the people who use words that they've grown up with without thinking they might be offensive.


But once those on the receiving end tell them that they are offensive / grating / whatever, it pisses me off if those same people tell me women (or whoever) are wrong to think it and they're going to carry on as usual because it's just all in our heads.


We don't still use "coloured" or "half-caste". My nan never said those words to insult anyone, but she too refused to accept that they could be offensive. The rest of us moved on.

RosieH Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Otta, I'm not foaming at the mouth about this, but

> the point is that sexism is embedded in our

> culture. I'd really rather it wasn't.

>

> I'm not having a massive go at the people who use

> words that they've grown up with without thinking

> they might be offensive.

>

> But once those on the receiving end tell them that

> they are offensive / grating / whatever, it pisses

> me off if those same people tell me women (or

> whoever) are wrong to think it and they're going

> to carry on as usual because it's just all in our

> heads.

>

> We don't still use "coloured" or "half-caste". My

> nan never said those words to insult anyone, but

> she too refused to accept that they could be

> offensive. The rest of us moved on.



All fair enough, but the fact is that a lot of women / ladies on here have said they couldn't care less. Yes if you said to me you didn't like me calling you something, I'd stop it, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that all of womankind had the same feelings as you about it.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • This thread brings back hazy memories from the early to mid-90s of a wine shop / off licence off Lordship Lane run by a bibulous chap who specialised in East European wines. It wasn't on a parade of shops but was on maybe Whateley Rd – or possibly Goodrich?? I used to walk past it when heading home from work and would drop in for a cheap bottle of Hungarian plonk. Someone tell me I'm not dreaming this... 🙂
    • The river Peck is partly underground if you live near the park and on its route
    • I have spent many years pondering the state of dampness in my basement and had composed a long and rather boring reponse. Have reduced it to bullet points: The cause of damp on the common wall with my neighbour was found to be caused by a slow leak their side which they were unaware of. Leak was repaired and dampness subsided. An experienced drainage man told me there are no underground rivers in East Dulwich My damp patches come and go and are more prevalent in summer when the humidity is high and barely there during the winter. I was considering getting a dehumidifier until I read they can suck the water out of walls/floor and make the problem worse.  
    • Thank you all for your input- we had the children with their mother for a few days. individually the children went out - one  to the theatre and Camden Market and Horniman's. The other to the transport museum and Leicester Square (could not get in to the Lego place so went into M & M place) also Dulwich Park with his Aunty and cousin. My daughter is a special needs teacher in Sussex and even though schools have closed, she had  to work 2 days (INSET Days)  one day she had a 3 hour zoom call with her colleagues as could not find a child minder, so worked from home, the next day the 9 year old spent the day with friends so she could go to work. At least with us she could get some respite from child care. After much negotiation, their father in Liverpool  has managed to get some leave from his new job for 2 weeks. My daughter will drive them to Oxford where Dad will pick up. This gives my daughter a few days  without children to catch up with various friends in the Midland's and Yorkshire. I will search the science school link as above as there maybe something in the October or February Half Terms which we could enrol the 9 year old in. We try to support our 3 daughters with child care but most of the grandchildren are grown up which leaves us with 9,11 and 15 year olds. We have not been asked to look after the 6 year and 3 year old great grandchildren - !!! We are firm believers that grandparents should be active in their grandchildren's lives and offer support where they can. I looked after my eldest granddaughter when she was a baby and toddler one day a week so my daughter could work. My granddaughter is now 26 and we are very close as she is the only one living in London. The others are scattered around Kent, Sussex and Essex.  
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...