red devil Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 In today's complicated, politically correct world, I find 'love' or 'pet' is a good catch-all... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 El Pibe Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> What does a Katy "I Can Cook" Ashworth fetish say> about me?It says "get in line". Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 As a one-time Potter I'm partial to 'duck'. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Pibe Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 "It says "get in line".":) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I really don?t see what the problem is would you rather be called the following1. Chav2. Bird3. Shelia4. Crumpet In parts of England some people are called love again I don?t see that has a problem it is part of the regional differences. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EPB Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 According to a teacher at my school, Ladies always referred to one another as 'women'; Charwomen always referred to one another as 'ladies'And I've never understood why, in golf clubs, they have a Men's section and a Ladies' section. Surely it should be either Men and Women or Gentlemen and Ladies? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
womanofdulwich Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 ever met a golfer? question answered. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgley Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 TheArtfulDogger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My father used to call women he didn't know > sweetheart or darling > > Thankfully that sort of behaviour is dying out > these days > > Thankfully and soon, love, there will be no more > talk like that Happy with any of the above - they make me smile. Not too keen on 'dear' though, although it doesn't keep me awake at night.No your father was a gentleman that is dying out these days Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
red devil Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 womanofdulwich Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> ever met a golfer? question answered.Excuse me love, I don't think you're allowed in here... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddleston Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Yeah ladies sounds a bit postmodern I?d rather go with milady. That would be ok for me. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Asset,I think if you have an overload of sensibilities, so much so that they can be grated on, then that is certainly proof that you are indeed a lady. Now pass me the smelling salts. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 I couldn't possibly, just reading this thread has made me come over all weak and I'mnot sure my pretty little head can deal with it all. RosieH has put the argument much more succinctly than me. Also, could people stop accusing me (or others) about getting het up - next you'll be suggesting we have hysterectomies. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
northlondoner Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I suppose biach is out of the question Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 I get that quite a lot funnily enough.Actually - I really don't mind if someone calls me 'love' or 'dearie' or whatever, it's a different thing altogether. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 My unreconstructed other half regularly refers to me as his bird - I don't really mind that either. He wouldn't dare call me a lady though lol. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I think that you just find it old fashioned and that don't suit a modern bird like you. It's like I've always called my mum and dad just that but some people do call theirs mother and father...if my kids called me father I'd be putting a stop to that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosieH Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> RosieH Wrote:> > > "Lady" is a loaded term - it implies gentility,> > refinement, delicacy - it comes with a whole> set> > of messages that piss women off because men> aren't> > subjected to the same set of expectations.> > 'Loaded term' my elbo. Only in your head. Strange> creatures as *Bob* said.Only in my head? And Asset's? And Katienumbers'? And every other woman who dislikes it.You're right, you're right, of course you are. Silly old me, to try to tell a man what it is to be a woman, when of course he knows best. (of course, the OED definition was probably written by a silly little woman who didn't know what's what either).You know how a St George's Cross is sometimes seen as a sign of racism? That's all in my head too of course! What a dolt I've been. What a clever chap you are, with what a sound grounding in semiotics. I'm off to burn my Lacan in the hearth to make a fire for my husband's tea. But I'll probably have to get him to strike the matches. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 "Lady" is a loaded term - it impliesgentility,> > refinement, delicacy"To be fair, the vast majority of people who use the word probably don't intend to convey any of that stuff, so is it fair to load their words with the things that you find offensive. Most people will use lady because it is part of the vocabulary they have grown up with. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosieH Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Otta, I'm not foaming at the mouth about this, but the point is that sexism is embedded in our culture. I'd really rather it wasn't.I'm not having a massive go at the people who use words that they've grown up with without thinking they might be offensive.But once those on the receiving end tell them that they are offensive / grating / whatever, it pisses me off if those same people tell me women (or whoever) are wrong to think it and they're going to carry on as usual because it's just all in our heads. We don't still use "coloured" or "half-caste". My nan never said those words to insult anyone, but she too refused to accept that they could be offensive. The rest of us moved on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 I was at a meeting with some council officers and other people and someone said 'I don't want to be a n***** in the wood pile.....' and all hell broke loose Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 RosieH Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Otta, I'm not foaming at the mouth about this, but> the point is that sexism is embedded in our> culture. I'd really rather it wasn't.> > I'm not having a massive go at the people who use> words that they've grown up with without thinking> they might be offensive.> > But once those on the receiving end tell them that> they are offensive / grating / whatever, it pisses> me off if those same people tell me women (or> whoever) are wrong to think it and they're going> to carry on as usual because it's just all in our> heads. > > We don't still use "coloured" or "half-caste". My> nan never said those words to insult anyone, but> she too refused to accept that they could be> offensive. The rest of us moved on.All fair enough, but the fact is that a lot of women / ladies on here have said they couldn't care less. Yes if you said to me you didn't like me calling you something, I'd stop it, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that all of womankind had the same feelings as you about it. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 maybe because it's so ingrained and they're not really thinking about the connotations...... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 Rosie, I'm sorry but to compare 'coloured' or 'half caste' to using the word 'lady' is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asset Posted October 25, 2012 Author Share Posted October 25, 2012 she's not - she's comparing the use of outdated and inappropriate terminology. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeban Posted October 25, 2012 Share Posted October 25, 2012 And the word lady does not come into that category!!! therefore she is comparing them Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/26354-ladies-or-women/page/3/#findComment-587349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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