East Dulwich boundaries

[edhistory]

Burbage Wrote:

> Given the level of interest in the issue, I have

> sacrificed a portion of my afternoon in pursuit of

> enlightenment and am now in the happy position of

> being able to publish the results here for the

> benefit of all. I trust no further clarification

> will be required.

Except that it is wrong.

John K

[Otta]

So John, can you show us where it says that Bellenden is part of ED? Sorry if you've already done so elsewhere, but I've not seen it.

[tfm33]

I second this; John, can you show us your evidence please?

Otta Wrote:

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> So John, can you show us where it says that

> Bellenden is part of ED? Sorry if you've already

> done so elsewhere, but I've not seen it.

[the-e-dealer]

I think Ottas line is getting too wobbley

[edcam]

ED for me is Dog Kennel Hill North, The Mag south, edge of Peckham Rye east and Townley Road West. Bellenden is definitely not in ED.

[edhistory]

Keef,

Here's a map readily to hand.

You can see the northern boundary of East Dulwich Parish.

You can also see that Bellenden Village (South of Choumert Road) was built in East Dulwich.

John K

[Jah Lush]

Otta is totally correct.

[Otta]

That map just shows that it was part of a parish (does this parish still exist). I don't think that means it's part of the area.

[Otta]

edcam Wrote:

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> ED for me is Dog Kennel Hill North, The Mag south,

> edge of Peckham Rye east and Townley Road West.

> Bellenden is definitely not in ED.

The Mag south? I can understand you not wanting to go as far as The Grove, but surely you have to go at least to The Plough / The Library (where Barry Road starts / ends).

[the-e-dealer]

I think Dulwich LIbrary is a good border marker.

[edhistory]

Otta Wrote:

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> That map just shows that it was part of a parish

> (does this parish still exist). I don't think that

> means it's part of the area.

What do you think it means?

John K

[tfm33]

This shows that East Dulwich is within the parish of St. John the Evangelist, but that doesn't end the debate; the neighbouring parish of St. Giles contains Camberwell and Denmark Hill, and they're distinct locales aren't they?

>

> You can see the northern boundary of East Dulwich

> Parish.

>

> You can also see that Bellenden Village (South of

> Choumert Road) was built in East Dulwich.

>

> John K

[the-e-dealer]

Yes and Upper Penge. (or Minge)

[computedshorty]

To end this dispute and proove who is correct, use your feet and read the SE22 on those Road Signs.

Most people have taken the trouble to find out where they live.

Perhaps those saying that a certain place is at a certain point take a picture of the Road Sign in situe and post it here.

[edhistory]

tfm33 Wrote:

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> This shows that East Dulwich is within the parish

> of St. John the Evangelist, but that doesn't end

> the debate; the neighbouring parish of St. Giles

> contains Camberwell and Denmark Hill, and they're

> distinct locales aren't they?

>

Debate?

Bellenden Village was built on the fields of East Dulwich.

Historic fact.

John K

[edhistory]

computedshorty Wrote:

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> To end this dispute and proove who is correct, use

> your feet and read the SE22 on those Road Signs.

> Most people have taken the trouble to find out

> where they live.

SE22 is the area that has its mail processed by Silvester Road.

SE15 is the area that has its mail processed by Highshore Road.

Both designations are first world war inventions.

John K

[Otta]

edhistory Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

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> -----

> > That map just shows that it was part of a

> parish

> > (does this parish still exist). I don't think

> that

> > means it's part of the area.

>

>

What do you think it means?

>

> John K

I think it means that in 1877 a parish existed that included Bellenden. I think that that parish no longer exists and that we don't define our areas by parish anymore.

The area now known as Crystal Palace (a big area with it's own train station and park) was once called Penge. Then history happened and it is now Crystal Palace.

Forest Hill was once a forest, on a hill. Things change.

Be proud of the lovely part of Peckham that you live in.

[edcam]

Otta Wrote:

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> edcam Wrote:

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> > ED for me is Dog Kennel Hill North, The Mag

> south,

> > edge of Peckham Rye east and Townley Road West.

> > Bellenden is definitely not in ED.

>

>

> The Mag south? I can understand you not wanting to

> go as far as The Grove, but surely you have to go

> at least to The Plough / The Library (where Barry

> Road starts / ends).

Ooh no - that bit's ghastly. Might as well be Lewisham!

[the-e-dealer]

When you say overlook is that from ground flor middle floor or top floor? Or Roof?

[Applespider]

Isn't the official southern boundary the north side of Wood Vale since that's the Southwark boundary and it's still served by the Dulwich telephone exchange although the postcode is SE23. Having said that, the western end of Wood Vale feels more like Forest Hill and the eastern end feels closer to Honor Oak so who knows.

[computedshorty]

The issue of this process is irrelavant, as in any emergency the post would be directed to Mount Pleasant.

No mater where it was collected.

SE22 is the area that has its mail processed by Silvester Road.

SE15 is the area that has its mail processed by Highshore Road.

[edhistory]

> I think it means that in 1877 a parish existed that included Bellenden

The parish existed before 1877 and before Bellenden was even dreamt of by Victorian property developers.

Would you prefer a map showing the secular boundary?

John K

And as a footnote, you might want to reconsider your histories of Crystal Palace, Penge, and Forest Hill.

An interesting quirk of history is that Penge was once part of Battersea.

[Otta]

The forest hill thing was meant to be a joke. The point is, we live in 2012, and no one except for you would conside Bellenden Road to be part of East Dulwich. It's not even borderline close.

You say that post codes don't count because they came in around WW1. I dread to think what you think about Israel!

[edhistory]

Applespider Wrote:

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> Isn't the official southern boundary the north

> side of Wood Vale since that's the Southwark

> boundary and it's still served by the Dulwich

> telephone exchange although the postcode is SE23.

> Having said that, the western end of Wood Vale

> feels more like Forest Hill and the eastern end

> feels closer to Honor Oak so who knows.

This is the current postal district and local authority boundary.

The original East Dulwich boundary ran between Horniman's Museum and the petrol station.

There is a boundary post on One Tree Hill showing the boundary immediately before the current one.

John K

[edhistory]

Otta Wrote:

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> The forest hill thing was meant to be a joke. The

> point is, we live in 2012, and no one except for

> you would conside Bellenden Road to be part of

> East Dulwich. It's not even borderline close.

>

> You say that post codes don't count because they

> came in around WW1. I dread to think what you

> think about Israel!

Why is it not even borderline close?

John K