Visiting pubs whilst we are on tier 2

[malumbu]

Not really sure why you post if you don't have anything to say. The pub in Enfield could have been anywhere, it was just indicative of why we had to into Tier 3.

[JohnL]

just replying to the "Enfield is also pretty horrid" although it's more Barnet. One of my friends lives in Whetstone so I used to be up there a bit.

You said

"Not a thread to have a rant at pubs that are not following rules, rather seeking views about good pubs to visit and whether you are doing this."

So I say the Mitre in Barnet and the Griffen in Whetsotone always seemed OK to me and I didn't see racism when I was up there.

[Pugwash]

Earlier in the year, hubby went several times to the Plough and in talking with staff, was informed that they kept a close eye on numbers, people were refused entry if more than an certain number were drinking on the premises.

If government allowed pubs and restaurant with good SD and covid precautions to operate a system where pre booking is essential and a maximum stay of 2 hours is allowed, this would bring in some form of income. I remember having to book at a popular restaurant some years ago and they were only offering 2 hour slots,i.e. 6,8,10 pm. A manager would appear and remind you that you only had 20 minutes left to finish your meal.A bit of a rush but if the menus were slightly reduced to allow a 3 course meal to be prepared and eaten in the 2 hour slot, this would help out a bit. Obviously reduced number on the premises with each slot.

[malumbu]

It's about policing/enforcement which didn't happen I expect due to resources. Official surveys showed that most people behaved themselves in lockdown one because they believed in the measures rather than fear of prosecution. Not so as time continued for a variety of reasons.

Apols of laying into Enfield, it shouldn't be characterised by one scummy pub. I expect you would get similar views as you come to some of the outer boroughs on this side of the Thames - white working class in multicultural areas who consider that the country has changed for the worst. Like my late Auntie in Cricklewood - although she would just say inappropriate comments rather than out and out hatred which shocked me.

[KidKruger]

jimlad - With hospitals in danger of filling-up and people potentially being turned-away to die somewhere else, do you still hold the same view as you posted previously ?

I am not looking for an argument and I consider you to be a solid poster with considered views, but do you think people should be going out and about (if confident enough to), socialising in pubs, rather than hiding from the virus and ruining the economy?

jimlad48 Wrote:

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> I'm sorry but I'm afraid I'm of the view that life

> needs to go on. If you're at risk then shield, if

> not then crack on. Sorry, its a bug that does bad

> things to people in way that other illnesses have

> done since time immemorial. The more we hide from

> it, the more we destroy the economy and make life

> more difficult in the medium term to pay and

> support those that need future help.

>

> I'm prepared to wait till vaccines have been

> offered to all those who are vulnerable, but once

> thats done, I want all restrictions immediately

> lifted and let people choose whether to get on

> with life.

[fishbiscuits]

Isn't the "life goes on" attitude the reason we're so screwed now? The countries that made hard decisions and tough measures in the short term are the ones that have now returned to some form of normality.

Regarding Enfield... I am familiar with the area. Enfield is reasonable diverse and voted Labour/Remain so I feel the picture you are painting is somewhat inaccurate. However, most of the immediately surrounding areas (on the Herts/Essex border) are hardcore Boris/Brexit territory.

[malumbu]

In deed, I did apologise. It was a point about pubs that didn't follow the rules, not all are used by old school racists, although I expect there is a belief by some in this demographic that Covid-19 is a conspiracy theory. Happnes on the left too.

[Spartacus]

I remember Pubs

Lovely places, full of people socially mixing

Them were the days 😱

[malumbu]

Virtual chinking of glasses Sparticus. And a virtual fight outside after closing time. Younger posters will not remember brawls inside and outside pubs. It always seemed to occur on a Friday night, for example when we had seen a film in Streatham. Not sure if I miss that though.

[Spartacus]

Ah yes

The Upland Tavern on a Friday night ...

But let's remember the first rule of fight club