Bus stop outside east Dulwich picture house

[Earl Aelfheah]

No LTNs they ?create more traffic on lordship Lane?. More parking on Lordship Lane, we want people to drive there!

I wonder whether at some point we?ll make the link between cars and traffic?

[Pugwash]

Chairs/tables outside shops. Having a couple of friends who are partially sighted, and being the occasional wheelchair pusher myself, many of the eateries in LL have increased their number of tables and chairs to the extent that they cause obstructions to pedestrians. Whilst I can understand the need to recoup/recover income by having more customers outside, there is a need for caution and for some diners to have better 'manners'. bags/buggies/kids scooters etc are seen to extend into the path of passing pedestrians. Originally you had to have a table permit from Southwark to extend onto the pavement beyond your official frontage, whether that has gone by the board since covid.

Outside the Ice Cream parlour, many people are queuing but others are just standing around chatting, add a sprinkling of children and you easily have 30 plus people in this small area. One friend will only go down LL if she is with someone who is fully sighted as she cannot see clearly enough to negotiate a safe pathway. Disabled people have enough obstacles in their everyday lives and inconsiderate people add to this.

[bonaome]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> I take it back. The line of parked cars actually

> extend out further than the pavement extension

> did. Why did they close the bus stop in the first

> place?

Because there isn't enough space between the bus shelter and the wall to allow for social distancing - as per the recommendations at the time the bust stop was closed.

For clarity, the closure of the bus stop had nothing whatsoever to do with the pavement on the other side of the street.

[heartblock]

Extend the pavement, keep the bus stop, lose a few parking spaces and have a limit to where outside tables can go for accessibility. If properly planned it could work for everyone.

But that?s the point about Southwark...poor, poor planning usually based on mates of Councillors, ending in disastrous builds, road changes and sell offs.

[bonaome]

@Sue, @Rahrahrah - The closure of the bus stop outside the cinema was not connected to the widening of the pavement opposite. It was closed because there wasn't enough space to pass by the bus stop and allow for social distancing requirements. There was a notice on the bus stop that explained this.

@cyclemonkey - yes, I would say people do drive to the area, based on the pattern of parking across the week. If I'm looking for a parking space in the daytime Monday to Friday, there'll be spaces on Bawdale (our street) or if not then nearby on Fellbrigg, or at least on Whately or Hansler. On Sundays, less so - probably only on Whately unless you hit lucky. On Saturdays not a hope of anything closer than the back end of Sylvester unless you hit very lucky indeed.

Pre-pandemic that pattern was slightly different. It used to be a lot busier in the evenings, especially Thurs-Sat when the cinema was in full swing. When everything was closed in the OG lockdown, there was acres of empty curbside.

So I think, YES, people do drive to the area to use the shops, cafes and restaurants and cinema.

[Cyclemonkey]

Well they might drive here but many don't need to. The public transport is perfectly decent. Drivers complaining about congestion and parking always amuse me - the solution is in your hands.

[Bony Fido]

This all just shows how ridiculous was the decision to close the bus stop when the barriers were installed - the barriers were not as wide as the row of parked vehicles, and now, having restored the parking, we have the potential hazards of vehicle doors being opened into the stream of traffic, and of pedestrians venturing into the road from between parked vehicles - altogether things are a lot more hazardous now than when the barriers were there. It would make more sense on safety grounds to close the bus stop now !! ( Not that i'm suggesting they should...)

[richard tudor]

How did the earlier residents survive living in East Dulwich.

[bonaome]

Bony Fido Wrote:

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> This all just shows how ridiculous was the

> decision to close the bus stop when the barriers

> were installed - the barriers were not as wide as

> the row of parked vehicles, and now, having

> restored the parking, we have the potential

> hazards of vehicle doors being opened into the

> stream of traffic, and of pedestrians venturing

> into the road from between parked vehicles -

> altogether things are a lot more hazardous now

> than when the barriers were there. It would make

> more sense on safety grounds to close the bus stop

> now !! ( Not that i'm suggesting they should...)

The closure of the bus stop had nothing to do with the widening of the opposite pavement. It was closed because it is very close to the building it?s in front of and there wasn?t enough room for people to pass allowing for social distancing if people were waiting at the bus stop. There was a sign on the bus stop explaining this.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Thanks Bonaome, that's a helpful clarification. I had assumed the two were linked.

[Pugwash]

Confused messages re reason for closure - many bus drivers were told not to stop there as with the barriers on the other side of road, there was insufficient space for 2 large vehicles (buses?)to pass.

Also with food shortages in supermarkets plus long queues, more people were shopping locally especially at Roses Butchers, queues going past cinema and down to Blackwater street.

[ED - NAGAIUTB]

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> Drivers complaining about congestion and parking

> always amuse me - the solution is in your hands.

I was on my way back to London on Friday and wanted to stop and get my shopping LL on the way home. There were dozens of empty spaces but all were residents parking only, all going to waste. I was lucky and managed to get a spot on the Lane after only a couple of loops but that meant I had only 30 minutes to try and get everything I needed. Explain how the solution was in my hands? Rather than, say, special interest groups with the ear of Southwark making the lives of shoppers difficult and the shops they attempt to support with their business.

[bonaome]

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> Well they might drive here but many don't need to.

> The public transport is perfectly decent.

> Drivers complaining about congestion and parking

> always amuse me - the solution is in your hands.

But many do need to drive here, don't they, Cyclemonkey?

[Cyclemonkey]

Do they? Apart from people with disabilities who needs to drive to the fishmongers or for a meal out. Note the word need here not preference or convenience.

[northernmonkey]

Given that you were apparently shopping on Lordship Lane and the permit parking ends on Zenoria /Matham St then this is a confusing statement. You were trying to park near the station to shop on Lordship Lane?

Also -there are pay and display bays which are generally available. So the solutions you had were 1) pay for parking in a pay and display bay, 2) walk to the shops, 3) park slightly further away and walk. It seems that you found a place on the lane - but all the streets joining it are also free parking (whether there are spaces is a different issue)

ED - NAGAIUTB Wrote:

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> Cyclemonkey Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Drivers complaining about congestion and

> parking

> > always amuse me - the solution is in your

> hands.

>

> I was on my way back to London on Friday and

> wanted to stop and get my shopping LL on the way

> home. There were dozens of empty spaces but all

> were residents parking only, all going to waste. I

> was lucky and managed to get a spot on the Lane

> after only a couple of loops but that meant I had

> only 30 minutes to try and get everything I

> needed. Explain how the solution was in my hands?

> Rather than, say, special interest groups with the

> ear of Southwark making the lives of shoppers

> difficult and the shops they attempt to support

> with their business.

[bonaome]

Cyclemonkey Wrote:

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> Do they? Apart from people with disabilities who

> needs to drive to the fishmongers or for a meal

> out. Note the word need here not preference or

> convenience.

Absolutely no one NEEDS Lordship Lane.

But Lordship Lane needs people.

Many (I have no idea how many, but it?s your word so let?s go with it) won?t come if they can?t drive.

The family with a couple of toddlers. The child with their now aged parents. The parents who are in between dropping child A off at the leisure centre to swim whilst child B needs to be picked up 30 minutes later from football on the Rye. Pretty much anyone from Nunhed.