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[SeanMacGabhann]

I totally agree with the first sentence of yours BN5 - but isn't that the opposite of what Blair is saying?

I genuinely admire your pragmatic stance as you've described in your own work - but I don't see that reflected in Blair's actions - I don't see a distasteful action taken despite "better judgement" - I see, not only a lack of judgement, an inability to make a courageous decision and a fall-back on "faith" reasons - but a wanton disregard for evidence, the consideration of others or anything approaching "reason"

But I could be equally na?ve

[????]

As a catholic hum not me) suffers from horrendous guilt for lying to the people over Iraq and the subsequent blood he hason his hands. i suspect the revolting, hypocritical, shallow soon to be millionaire doesn't give a flying fig. Rot in hell Blair.

[dulwichmum]

Oh Sean darling (sigh) you are never naive, just manly and handsome.

Leave poor Tony alone, he has a young son and he is simply trying to ensure that he gets into a good local state school. No-body in their right mind could be a genuine Roman Catholic, could they? There is a group on Facebook for recovering Roman Catholics. So many people feel too guilty to join!

[wee quinnie]

bignumber5 Wrote:

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>

> To look back on the 10yrs of Blairdom, I do not

> find myself (even now this issue is being

> emphasised) thinking "now that administration was

> so... well... Catholic" so i'd say he did a good

> job in professionally detaching faith from

> business, most of the time.

>

> Whilst I do not think the invasion of Iraq was

> justifiable, I also don't think that a PM who

> stayed out only because he's catholic and they're

> Muslim and that wont look good, in some dreadfully

> misguided act of positive discrimination to

> safeguard against being labelled as a fanatic

> himself, would be any better than a religious

> crusade. Answer: remove faith from the equation.

> Whatever reasons he had for making that call (and

> I'd truely love to know what they really were) I

> genuinely believe that faith was NOT one of them.

Actually, he only became a catholic after stepping down as PM.

Now I know it was common knowledge that he was fully intent on going RC, and allegedly did not do so at the time for political expediency (fear of p!ssing off the N.Ireland Unionist community). It just seems rather odd - either you BELIEVE as a Catholic or you don't - it's pretty fundamental really.

[david_carnell]

The guy has four kids. I think he's been living as Catholic for some time now!

[wee quinnie]

Four? For a Catholic that's small potatoes!

[bignumber5]

*attempts to rouse a chorus of "Every Sperm is Sacred"*

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

"Attempts to rouse" in the same sentence as "sperm" must be Freudian?

[SeanMacGabhann]

he's not going away anytime soon

Our Tone

my favourite bit is:

"But he adds: "The worst thing in politics is when you're so scared of losing support that you don't do what you think is the right thing. What faith can do is not tell you what is right but give you the strength to do it."

You see, in my book, when you've lost support, it could just be because you are wrong and your time would better be spent reflecting on how to get out of the mess.. but apparantly it's better to turn to your invisible friend and find a way to plough on regardless ...

[david_carnell]

My morning news bulletin described his aim as "spending the rest of his life trying to unite the world's religions" - so nothing too challenging then.

Meanwhile the current brooding inhabitant of no10 is calling random members of the public at 6am to discuss their problems.

One didn't listen to his electorate, the other is getting them out of bed to try.

[dulwichmum]

I simply adore Gordon Brown ... swoon.

I have a soft spot for cerebral powerful men!

[spadetownboy]

wee quinnie Wrote:

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> Four? For a Catholic that's small potatoes!

thats probably an english catholic quinnie, they,re not proper catholics anyway. now as for us irish catholics there,s 6 kids in my family, but thats nothing compared to 3 of my neighbours back home, there,s 3 brothers all married and between them they have 43 kids and the worse thing about it all, it they,re all ginger.

[wee quinnie]

spadetownboy Wrote:

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> wee quinnie Wrote:

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> > Four? For a Catholic that's small potatoes!

>

> thats probably an english catholic quinnie,

> they,re not proper catholics anyway. now as for us

> irish catholics there,s 6 kids in my family, but

> thats nothing compared to 3 of my neighbours back

> home, there,s 3 brothers all married and between

> them they have 43 kids and the worse thing about

> it all, it they,re all ginger.

Ah yes of course. Silly me.