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Comediens we loath and love, starting with Ricky Gervais

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Loz

Loz

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*Bob* Wrote:

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> Loz Wrote:

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> > Stewart Lee - less funny than a dose of the

> trots

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> >"'Ouse/Ass" ... did make me cry with laughter

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> That's the great thing about comedy, isn't it?

> There's a level for everybody.


Well I like my comedians delivering comedy, not just trying to play to a political gallery. Stewart Lee is for those that like their comedy delivered in the form of a badly mumbled political lecture. It's like we never learnt anything from the Ben Elton era.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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I kind of see both sides of the Stewart Lee thing.

He's clever, interesting, incisive and amusingly acerbic, but there aren't that many moments where he's actually funny as such, let's not even mention the 'sketches' eek.


A bit like Rory Bremner's satirical 'comedy' in that respect. Though Bird and Fortune can crack me up, especially when they crack up themselves.

*Bob*

*Bob*

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The attempts at a TV format has always been problematic though. They're like bite-sized, watered-down chunks taken from a meticulously crafted two hour show - the parts of which all come together to make something quite unique - and yes very, very funny. But 'the funny' builds as you go. Because if you want to say something clever, interesting, incisive, acerbic - and make it funny - then machine-gunning the audience with hilarious one-liners in the first ten minutes is not going to cut it - and TV is never going to be your friend in that respect.



So if you're 'interested' but haven't seen a full show, you should go. It's seriously impressive stuff. (Unless you hate Stewart Lee - in which case you'll only hate him even more).

woodrot

woodrot

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If I want rib tickling, I go to see the chuckle brothers ( and yes, they are contemporary masters of their own very traditional genre)- if I want to think a bit, then Stewie ( as well call him ) is teh king


If you dont find his widely Utubed sketch "Emigrants" quite wonderful, then maybe its time to get the latest Micheal Macintire DVD into your amazon basket

El Pibe

El Pibe

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I can see how that could be inferred.

Also I do actually like him.

SJ introduced me via one of the taped live shows years ago, and I laughed, sometimes out loud, especially the scottish paedophiles bit.

It's just the overall effect is one less of comedy than cleverly couched demagoguery with a vague air of mirth, so I was just saying I totally understand people who say he's funny and people who say he's not.

*Bob*

*Bob*

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I'd be disappointed if you didn't!


Totally understand why he's not for everyone, but it's the loathing I find weird. You'd be forgiven for thinking there were hundreds of Stewart Lees up and down the land, adorning every panel show: not one with a very limited and avoidable television presence.


I expect it's probably got something to do with people going on and on and on and on and on about him until you just can't stand it any more..

red devil

red devil

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> It's just the overall effect is one less of comedy

> than cleverly couched demagoguery with a vague air

> of mirth....


Dick Emery has the same effect on a lot of people...


 

woodrot

woodrot

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> I can see how that could be inferred.

> Also I do actually like him.

> SJ introduced me via one of the taped live shows

> years ago, and I laughed, sometimes out loud,

> especially the scottish paedophiles bit.

> It's just the overall effect is one less of comedy

> than cleverly couched demagoguery with a vague air

> of mirth, so I was just saying I totally

> understand people who say he's funny and people

> who say he's not.



maybe you has better stick to Miranda and Mrs Browns Boys then.

maxxi

maxxi

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The new "...tragedy, comedy, history, pastoral, pastoral-comical, historical-pastoral, tragical-historical, tragical-comical-historical-pastoral" I suppose:


- Political, political-psychological, political-sociological, political-psychological-satirical-sociological...


Something other than a list of gags Monkhouse/Vine style and I'm fine with it when it's Stewart Lee or Mark Thomas or a Brooker style rant but do seem to mind it a lot more when it's Mark Steel or Jeremy Hardy ... it's just a style thang.


Like the "I'm so kooky Fish banana Trousers!" approach of Noel Fielding - i USED to like it but it got old v. fast - it's not enough to just be odd - I just wish someone would tell Paul Foot that.



ETA: re Woody's post - I get why something like Miranda exists - I can see where it fits - just like that sitcom with the glasses one from mel and sue, but Mrs Browns What the fuck?! A wormhole connecting to 1974 is the only explanation.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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I see what you did there woody, anyone who disagrees with you obviously has the intellectual capacity of sloth and watches stuff for the lobotomised masses.

I wish I was as clever as you, really I do.


Besides if you want real comedy Ben & Holly's little Kingdom is far and away the best thing around.

El Pibe

El Pibe

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actually thinking about it, SJ can't have introduced me to him as I used to watch Fist of Fun and This Morning with Richard Not Judy.

Though I think it was Richard Herring's whiney desperation to be loved that really struck a chord!!

woodrot

woodrot

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El Pibe Wrote:

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> I see what you did there woody, anyone who

> disagrees with you obviously has the intellectual

> capacity of sloth and watches stuff for the

> lobotomised masses.

> I wish I was as clever as you, really I do.

>



nope, not really,as I said, I like the chuckle brothers- its pure traditional stupidity and I do laugh at it.


tsk, tsk - dont take eveerything so personal - its not like meatspace here you know - its randoms from penge with too much time on their hands

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