Celebrate the passing of Ms Thatcher

[rgutsell]

Hiya all

Anyone fancy a celebration for the end of La Thatcher?

In thoroughly bad taste of course! "Thank God she's gone"

I am already sick to my stomache with the impending media sycophancy and glorification.

Yours

RN Gutsell

[LadyDeliah]

My bunting's up :-)

[Vicanna]

I hope there aren't any children bearing witness to what vile, bitter creatures you both are.

[RosieH]

I wish people would put half as much enthusiasm into opposing the current bunch of cunts as they do into celebrating the death of an old woman who's been out of power for over 20 years.

Fiddling while Rome burns.

[Otta]

Well said!

[Dulwich Squirrel]

That's awful. Poor form indeed - don't speak I'll of the dead.

[JDR]

I not going to join either side on this ( the Public celebration of her her death), however, public figures that do push through policies they know to be so harmful to various groups of society are fair game. It may not appeal to your sense of correctness but probably indicates how her policies affected you. Politicians are fair game at all times, this strange sense of don't speak ill of the dead is misjudged and inappropriate, especially to those for whom the debate about the effect of her policies ( both when put though and their continuing presence) still continues. Not necessarily a celebration, but we should allow a genuine debate about her and the effects she has had. Just because she died doesn't and shouldn't put these things off the agenda

[LadyDeliah]

Sorry Rosie, but I fight the current shower and I fought the inbetween lot, but I'm happy to reserve a bit of bile for the woman who cared nothing for the people whose lives and communities she destroyed and replaced with consumerism, greed and rabid selfishness.

Hated her when she was alive and nothing's changed now she's dead, other than a small black cloud that's lifted from my grim Northern past where the sun has momentarily poked through.

Just wish she'd take a load of the current lot with her.

[Loz]

JDR Wrote:

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> Not necessarily a celebration, but we should allow a

> genuine debate about her and the effects she has had.

I don't think anyone would reject the idea of a debate of her, but those posters advocating 'celebration' of her death are truly loathsome. How would they like the local community to cheer happily at their mother's death?

[edcam]

Hated her and all she stood for but there is nothing fresh to be said about her. The woman's dead. Bye. Let's move on. Russell Brand wrote a brilliant Guardian article. I'd recommend that people read it.

[LadyDeliah]

Loz Wrote:

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> I don't think anyone would reject the idea of a

> debate of her, but those posters advocating

> 'celebration' of her death are truly loathsome.

> How would they like the local community to cheer

> happily at their mother's death?

My mother didn't ruin thousands of people's lives and refuse to listen to their pain, she just did it to a few of us!

Re: the Brand article, I agree it's fantatsic and it's also here in the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-brand/margaret-thatcher-our-unm_b_3046390.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

[LadyDeliah]

Also nice to an old classic being resurrected: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-could-reach-number-one-following-margaret-thatchers-death-8566042.html

[Loz]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> Re: the Brand article, I agree it's fantatsic and it's also here in the Huffington Post:

And the best part of that article pointed out that Thatcherism died in 1990. All that has happened since then that continued her political legacy is not her fault, but the fault of the politicians elected since then. And, of course, those that elected them.

Yesterday an old lady died. Nothing changed.

[LadyDeliah]

I disagree Loz, she was the beginning of an onslaught that has smashed it's way through our education, health and other public services for the benfit of her millionaire friends and to the detriment of the majority of the rest of us.

This is another good article but a bit more political than Brand's which explains why some of us hate her and want the current lot to join her. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/04/margaret-thatcher-state-funeral-protests

[Loz]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> I disagree Loz, she was the beginning of an onslaught that has smashed it's way through our

> education, health and other public services for the benfit of her millionaire friends and to the

> detriment of the majority of the rest of us.

Well, we can probably disagree on the politics of Thatcherite reforms until the cows come home. but the point remains, she ceased to be PM 23 years ago. If people followed her lead, then that's their fault, not hers. I can tell you what to do, but if you are silly enough to listen to me, you need to take some responsibility for that.

And another article in the Gruin (of all places)...

What might have happened if Thatcher never existed.

[LadyDeliah]

Yeh or we could have turned into a Socialist country. My guess is as good as his.

[Huguenot]

No LadyD, it's not a guess.

The only alternative to the future described in that article would have been someone else doing a 'Thatcher'.

The fact that it was Thatcher that did it is largely neither here nor there - and no excuse to demean ourselves by pursuing her into the grave like a lynch mob pulling pieces out of her body.

The foolish aspect to those that despise her is that they lack the imagination to consider the alternatives - and most importantly whether it would have been an improvement.

The truth is that the nation was staring in the face of a socialist implosion that would leave us not in a glorious agrarian idyll, but rather a desperate post industrial clusterfuck European outlier like the Ukraine.

To claim otherwise is revisionist.

[JohnL]

The concept of not speaking ill of the dead is a bit strange.

We'd be praising Savile if that was so.

Somehow the Thatcher of the 80s-the crazy eyed spitting image character would love it anyway.

[Lowlander]

I think there are two points here.

One thing to speak ill of her which I've no problem with (although personally my views are somewhere inbetween).

The second thing is celebrating a death. This is 2013 not 1613. We've come along way from public hangings and putting folk in stocks. If you want that sort of behaviour go out to Saudi Arabia.

[Chillaxed]

Wasn't politically conscious or in the UK when Thatcher did her thing, but some of the bile being spewed out on here and elsewhere surprises me. LadyD and others, you are happy that she is dead? What has changed in your life to make you so happy?

[DulwichFox]

Margaret Thatcher may be dead, BUT the damage she did to this Country is still evident..

1. She allowed people to Buy their Council Homes. (many could only just afford to do so)

Many of these homes were in a poor state of repair and the Councils wanted rid of them.

2. People then lost their jobs as many industries were closed down (Mines, Steel)

3. Homes were reposesed.

3. Rich landlords bought these homes at auctions.

4. The homes were rented out or redeveloped.

As a result there is now little affordable Social Housing Stock.

So now a new Tory Government has created the so called Bedroom Tax.

And we all Know the current situation.

More people may lose there homes.

Foxy.

[Mick Mac]

Dulwich Squirrel Wrote:

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> That's awful. Poor form indeed - don't speak I'll

> of the dead.

I have never understood that. Should we extend that courtesy to everyone - What about Jimmy Saville?

[Jeremy]

Agree with JohnL and Lowlander... I've no problem speaking ill of her, she was tremendously unpopular when she was still alive, so why should that change now? But talk of celebration is pointless and rather juvenile, she'd had no influence for many years, her death doesn't suddenly make the world a better place.

[rgutsell]

Hiya all

Good discussion but......my suggestion waa that we meet for celebration.

Howabout about a pub; lets say the Magdalene, next wednesday?

Yours

RNGutsell

[Lowlander]

DulwichFox Wrote:

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> Margaret Thatcher may be dead, BUT the damage she

> did to this Country is still evident..

>

> 1. She allowed people to Buy their Council

> Homes. (many could only just afford to do so)

> Many of these homes were in a poor state of

> repair and the Councils wanted rid of them.

>

> 2. People then lost their jobs as many industries

> were closed down (Mines, Steel)

>

> 3. Homes were reposesed.

>

> 3. Rich landlords bought these homes at

> auctions.

>

> 4. The homes were rented out or redeveloped.

>

> As a result there is now little affordable Social

> Housing Stock.

> So now a new Tory Government has created the so

> called Bedroom Tax.

> And we all Know the current situation.

>

> More people may lose there homes.

>

> Foxy.

Labour started it, she extended the policy. Anyway this thread is about the morals of celebrating death.