No. 12 bus route frequency

[Spartacus]

As a ploy to scrap the No. 12 bus route, the frequency was reduced from every 5 minutes to every 12 minutes about a year ago. The claim that covid had reduced passenger numbers was touted as a reason at the time. 

Now that the No. 12 is safe (for the time being) and (according to WHO) Covid is over, passenger numbers have started to steadily increase to a point where the infrequently of the No. 12 makes it crowded at most times of the day.

Isn't it time for residents and councillors to campaign to TfL to increase the frequency of this much used bus route again ? 

[Froglander]

Yes.

[Castleton]

I feel the same about the short ED trains!

 

[NewWave]

Yes definitely !!!

[Spartacus]

TfL claim they are 90% back to pre pandemic usage on the network 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-65821633

Yet still the no 12 is a reduced service and packed most days.

What can we and the councillors do ? 

[Spartacus]

TfL are launching a campaign  "highlighting the value and benefits public transport offers people with all travel needs and budgets", the organisation said. 

This comes as they say buses are near pre pandemic levels of usage. 

BBC News - Tube passenger numbers at 85% of pre-Covid levels, says TfL
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66451211

with this information, why are we still suffering a reduction in bus capacity locally (no 12 for instance) as logically increasing frequency will help get more people using buses and out of other forms of transport. 

and before anyone uses the "cars slow buses down" line, the 12 was reduced due to falling numbers during covid. 

[first mate]

Unlike LTNs and CPZ, working to improve and increase bus and train services was a Southwark Labour manifesto promise. Can anyone say what has been achieved to date, locally?

[bea1]

TFL dont like people who live in south london crossing the river

[Spartacus]

I thought that was black taxi drivers from Essex ? 

[Spartacus]

Just seen that the no 12 service has been changed to every 13 minutes 

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/bus-changes#on-this-page-1

So rather than adding more buses make it a reliable service, TFL have made it more sparse and therefore more crowded and reduced the impetus to use public transport 🤔

[hanlanf]

Up north or anyway outside London, you’d be lucky to get one bus an hour. Still a good service in the grand scheme of things. 

Maybe just get the 40 to Elephant and Castle and swap buses there? 😴

[Sue]

4 hours ago, hanlanf said:

Up north or anyway outside London, you’d be lucky to get one bus an hour. Still a good service in the grand scheme of things. 

Maybe just get the 40 to Elephant and Castle and swap buses there? 😴

When I lived in the country, there was one bus a WEEK to the nearest large town, in the morning, and one bus back in the afternoon of the same day.

This was to enable people to do their weekly shop. Luckily, I had a car 🤣

I haven't had any issues with the 12. We are lucky that it starts at the top of Barry Road, so at least going in that direction it is easy to get a seat.

Although if you are going further than Peckham it's quicker, as you say, to get another bus and change, because the 12 goes a very long way round to get to Camberwell Green and onwards from there ... 

 

Edited February 15, 2024 by Sue