Jump to content

LTN Discussion


Administrator

Recommended Posts

You know, heartblock, it's amazing how much I agree with you given that politically there are (I suspect) probably quite a lot of things we disagree on.


Inspired by the earlier iteration of this thread, I purchased a book called The Righteous Mind - Why Good People are Divided by Politics and Religion.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/0141039167


Am about a third of the way through. It's really interesting - would recommend. Quite old now, from 2013. Have put this more recent article from the same author on my "to read" list

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Experience today:


Speeding motorists on side roads. OK a speed enforcement not LTN issue.


Parents parking on double yellow lines outside Bessemer Grange and the primary school in the village. Ok another enforcement issue.


And for some balance, plenty of responsible cycling, but one lady cycling on the pavement on Townley. Not a youth or a young chap but someone who should give a damn.


What relevance is this to the LTN debate? I expect most posting on this thread do obey the rules but so many other road users don't. So you ain't going to get anywhere by asking people nicely to reduce their car journeys/emissions. So we need hard interventions.


Hope this isn't gaslighting which I still don't understand

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It isn't gaslighting (which refers to the act of undermining another person?s reality by denying the environment around them, or their feelings), but I do agree with you.. I actually think if some of these actions were enforced a little better, so parents parking on double yellows, pavements and in no parking zones..cycling on pavements and speed restrictions that would all be great.

I would urge everyone to push for better pollution monitoring though.. and for improved PT.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Waseley - agree with your annoyance at bad drivers - we all feel the same pain and frustration when people act selfishly.


The deafening silence on my challenge to some of the loudest pro-LTN cheerleaders to dissect the council's own numbers is not surprising - they are acting selfishly and deliberately ignoring the facts that tell a very different story to the one they like to peddle.


This note from the council speaks volumes and demonstrates LTN displacement in full effect and why Dulwich should never have been chosen for LTNs on the basis of PTALs alone....


"Traffic has been rising across Southwark since the end of the 2021 COVID-19 lockdown, and was at 92% of pre-COVID levels in November 2021 at count points in the north of the borough, and above pre-COVID levels on the TfL network near Dulwich" - Southwark Council Dashboard.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Huh my ears are burning, sounds like Rockets and heartblock want me to answer their question for a second time before even responding to the first answer. Very curious.


I'm definitely motivated by accusations and insults fired in my direction, so just a few more of those totally-not-treating-me-as-the-enemy-dont-gaslight-me-by-claiming-otherwise might just speed me up a little.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It doesn't help your cause in challenging LTNs by calling others pro LTN cheerleaders. I see that you have been challenged in the past about making this tribal, but still do it! It would make it easier to have an adult debate
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Come on, one of you must be brave enough to interpret the statement from the council.....you all have strong opinions on pretty much everything else to do with LTNs...why can't you take a look at the below and give is your thoughts....what could possibly be the problem...;-)



"Traffic has been rising across Southwark since the end of the 2021 COVID-19 lockdown, and was at 92% of pre-COVID levels in November 2021 at count points in the north of the borough, and above pre-COVID levels on the TfL network near Dulwich" - Southwark Council Dashboard.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Looks like our dear Rockets is so busy spamming the same question over and over again that he doesn't have time to read or even acknowledge the replies.



It's not that we're not brave it's just that our fingers only move so fast, and most of us I suspect are disinclined to repeatedly post the same answer to the spam question because that gets boring and annoying for everyone reading.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Well I've looked Manatee and cannot see your response to Rocket's question, explaining those council figures, despite saying you have? We must all have missed your post.


Indulge us and post your response and explanation for those figures quoted by Rocket again.





ohthehugemanateeLTN3 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Looks like our dear Rockets is so busy spamming

> the same question over and over again that he

> doesn't have time to read or even acknowledge the

> replies.

>

>

> It's not that we're not brave it's just that our

> fingers only move so fast, and most of us I

> suspect are disinclined to repeatedly post the

> same answer to the spam question because that gets

> boring and annoying for everyone reading.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this out and inviting them to go back through the last few pages of their own spam to actually engage with my reply is an insta ban!


Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

No bias, at least no more than you or any other average person, just in search of an explanation. So help us out, you seem to know how to make sense of that council statement and figures provided by Rockets. Do tell.


You say you have already posted an answer but none of us can find it? Perhaps it was deleted in error or you thought you had posted but it did not go through? Come on, if you know the answer you posted just cut and paste in reply.


Alternatively, perhaps Rx3 can help you?


Go on, just a few seconds to re-post a reply none of us can find.



ohthehugemanateeLTN4 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same

> questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is

> fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this

> out and inviting them to go back through the last

> few pages of their own spam to actually engage

> with my reply is an insta ban!

>

> Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

ohthehugemanateeLTN4 Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Interesting! Several users mass spamming the same

> questions (and variations thereof) repeatedly is

> fine by the standards of this forum. Pointing this

> out and inviting them to go back through the last

> few pages of their own spam to actually engage

> with my reply is an insta ban!

>

> Do I suspect a teensy bit of anti LTN bias here?


Manatee - that's your 3rd ban isn't it? Whatever you're doing wrong you're doing it repeatedly...admin obviously knows something we don't...


Ex- that is a weird response from the system maybe add East Dulwich to the text?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

exdulwicher Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> Maybe I've been part-banned as well...!

>

> Maybe there's a little AI bot reading my

> contributions and going "nah, that's just traffic,

> not East Dulwich".


Lol

Maybe it's like councillors twitter accounts where only people they follow or people mentioned in their tweets can reply...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Administrator

It's a hard topic to moderate and we don't always get it right but it does stray off topic a lot. It doesn't help with that ohthehugemanateeLTN being a pain, they keep re-registering with email addresses like:


[email protected]

[email protected]

[email protected]


We understand that trolling is easy fun, especially when you get a reaction to your posts, but maybe look elsewhere for fun because it makes moderating even harder.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thanks admin? an insight indeed. So not to labour this, there is a quote from Dulwich/E Dulwich Streetspace that the latest TFL data is showing traffic in the ED/ Dulwich area rising to pre-pandemic numbers, which seems to make the other piece of information that traffic has now dropped by 21,000 (not really been given across which dates or exactly where). So apart from my quantum theory, can anyone explain?
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Latest Discussions

    • It was an absolute shit show. And so much anger coming from both sides, not becoming at all (was surprised how riled cool Rishi was getting).  Agree about the format, it was lazy, whatsherchops wasn't asking pertinent questions, she was just going for binary yesses or nos. The producers didn't force either side to drill down on anything, just make commitments so they got good soundbites.  If I hear 'my father was a tool maker' / my wife's a nurse / my father was a GP one more time... as if any of those things qualify anyone to fix / understand anything. 
    • Good.  Subsidence claims generally have an excess of £1000 per claim, but was yours higher?
    • Indeed, many house here have had or will have subsidence issues so one needs to bear that in mind.  Many houses here have shallow foundations but they have been around 100 years or so without too much issue. What the surveyor has told you doesn't feel like a 'red flag', more of a sensible warning.  Bear in mind that although the surveyor is nominally working for you, their focus iln reality is mostly on the lender and the risk of being sued, either by them or you.  So they are always pretty cautious.  It would be wise to get a 2nd opinion, eg. from a structural engineer.  Or talk  to the original surveyor directly as they may say more than they are prepared to put in a report.  It's a little difficult from the description to identify what the situation is but the scenario in which part of a property has been underpinned and the rest has not is fairly common here.  The proximity of trees is likely to be the main thing to be concerned about, particularly after the hot summer of 2002, as insurers generally regard them as risky, especially if they are not cut back from time to time.  A second surveyor can advise directly on this. It would definitely be worth trying to take over the current buildings insurance.  Indeed, it may be quite hard to find new cover.  Enquire what the current premium is and who the policy is ultiimately underwitten by (ie. is it a name that you have ever heard of?)  The insurance industry, in general, works to a guideline that the insurance of an underpinned property should transfer to a new owner.   https://www.biba.org.uk/insurance-guides/home-insurance-guides/subsidence/
    • More than the 2 contestants, the format and production was the main fault last night - allowing 45 seconds for an answer will get you those responses from any 2 candidates Awful show
Home
Events
Sign In

Sign In



Or sign in with one of these services

Search
×
    Search In
×
×
  • Create New...