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Just to get back to Obama's speech, it does seem like I'm the only one that feels it's been totally overinflated into some kind of iconic speech in the mould of Martin Luther King or even Winston Churchill. In actual fact it's really just a load of waffle that he delivers particularly well. He makes references to grasping challenges and dealing with tough times ahead but I could have gotten up and said that.I think he could have gotten up and read his shopping list and it would have sounded inspirational. Put him in the Spurs dressing room and see if he could motivate that bunch of losers. They're a bunch of audacity of no hopers.

giggirl Wrote:

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> I just found this comment on Popbitch...

>

> The most powerful politician in the world is

> black.

> The best golfer in the world is black. The

> fastest

> racing driver in the world is black... Michael

> Jackson must be kicking himself.


Is Obama black? Is Tiger Woods black? Plenty of people would say that they aren't.


Actually, I don't care that much. But it's interesting to see the fuss these things can cause...

SeanMacGabhann Wrote:

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> not with them being succesful and all.


Well, Tiger Woods very publically declared himself "mixed race", rather than black. To which Colin Powell commented, "In America, when you look like me, you're black". It's kind of interesting how for historical reasons, society still feels the need to draw a distinction, even when the lines are blurred.

Tiger was covering his bases (fan-wise and sponsor-wise)


Powell is more of a realist


The lines are blurring for sure (a good thing IMO) but as long as there are red-necks there will be "cautious" people who have less than pink skin. Same would apply if the tables were turned I'm sure.. it just is what it is

Jeremy Wrote:

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> giggirl Wrote:

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> > I just found this comment on Popbitch...

> >

> > The most powerful politician in the world is

> > black.

> > The best golfer in the world is black. The

> > fastest

> > racing driver in the world is black... Michael

> > Jackson must be kicking himself.

>

> Is Obama black? Is Tiger Woods black? Plenty of

> people would say that they aren't.

>

> Actually, I don't care that much. But it's

> interesting to see the fuss these things can

> cause...


They all Black in the same way that Andy Murray is now OFFICIALLY British where b4 he was just another Scottish average Tennis Player.


The Main Black Website thoroughly disapprooves of Inter-Racial relationships and warns Members if they post any articles or threads about this topic that they will be deleted (thats The Members as well as the thread!):)).....strangely though the Main Black icon seems to be Bob Marley ( who is also Mixed Race) and now Barack and Halle and Tiger and Lewis are regarded as Black on that Site, in general.:)


So. who knows....

"Black" means different things to different people in different places for different reasons. In Britain it seems to refer to anyone with any visible African ancestry (even if the last true African in their line lived 400 years ago.) This is very simplistic and I don't think it can really be a valid standpoint from which to formulate an opinion on global race dynamics.

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