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[Otta]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/fa

> mine_01.shtml

>

> Maybe an interesting history lesson for some.

> Without the famine there may not have been a

> Glasgow Celtic or indeed Hibernian or Dundee

> United in Scotland. I'm not advocating

> disrespecting the dead of the great wars but there

> are historical reasons involved that make it a

> complex question as to why some choose to.

> Personally I think people should be able to keep

> quiet for a minute as a mark of respect to those

> who it means something to.

>

Absolutely, I get the history, but as you say, keeping your mouth shut for a minute out of respect shouldn't be beyond them.

[Alan Medic]

Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> For you Red Devil, trailer for "Class of '92"

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA2PgjssNXE&feature

> =youtu.be (See, I can be nice !!!)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/northern-ireland/10359273/Keith-Gillespie-admits-staking-more-than-100000-a-day-during-gambling-obsession.html

The producers couldn't track down this member of the class of '92. I could have told them where he was as he was playing for my home town club! His book should be a good read.

[Alan Medic]

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[Mick Mac]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Yeah, @#$%& them too. Keep your knickers on Mac.

> If Celtic and their fans can't do a minutes

> silence out of respect for the dead then their

> @#$%&.

There is no chance of that. This year or any other. It's simply not logical for Irish people to show support, sympathy or condolence for an army that have acted as they have done to some of the people of Northern Ireland.

If the remembrance was limited to the good people of the two world wars I'm sure there would be no problem whatsoever with a minutes silence being respected.

[red devil]

Mick, in the link you posted about Celtic's donation, it said that the club had lost players in the 1st World War.

You'd think even the most narrow minded Celtic fan could at least do a minute's silence in their memory.

Today, a German in an Arsenal shirt will stand in silence out of respect. Some people have moved on...

[Alan Medic]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Yeah, @#$%& them too. Keep your knickers on Mac.

> If Celtic and their fans can't do a minutes

> silence out of respect for the dead then their

> @#$%&.

Firstly, there was no minutes silence at Ross County, perhaps out of respect for those who died at the hands of the British Army. So the silence wasn't broken. There was none.

Secondly, the poppy poem is pro the continuing of war. Who supports that? See below..

?In Flanders Fields?

In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow

Between the crosses, row on row,

That mark our place and, in the sky,

The larks, still bravely singing, fly,

Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead; short days ago

We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

Loved and were loved, and now we live

In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe!

To you from failing hands we throw

The torch; be yours to hold it high!

If ye break faith with us who die

We shall not sleep, though poppies grow

In Flanders fields.

I think you owe an apology to Mick Mac.

[Mick Mac]

red devil Wrote:

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> Mick, in the link you posted about Celtic's

> donation, it said that the club had lost players

> in the 1st World War.

> You'd think even the most narrow minded Celtic fan

> could at least do a minute's silence in their

> memory.

>

And that's what I have said isn't it if it was world war related.

Funny enough I believe many on here to be narrow minded in not trying to understand both sides of this argument.

[Otta]

I understand the argument, I just disagree with it. Plenty of Northern Irish people have died fighting for Britain as well.

[Alan Medic]

What exactly are you disagreeing with Otta?

[Mick Mac]

Thanks AM, but I'm not stupid enough to ask or expect an apology or even to think that one is due.

But I do think that sometimes people seem to find it impossible to think what it might be like to be in someone else's shoes, to have experienced what others may have experienced and ask themselves how they might feel.

And again again again the world wars are a separate matter.

[Bluerevolution]

RVP out with groin injury ??

[Alan Medic]

Where did you hear that?

[Jah Lush]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Jah Lush Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Yeah, @#$%& them too. Keep your knickers on

> Mac.

> > If Celtic and their fans can't do a minutes

> > silence out of respect for the dead then their

> > @#$%&.

>

> Firstly, there was no minutes silence at Ross

> County, perhaps out of respect for those who died

> at the hands of the British Army. So the silence

> wasn't broken. There was none.

>

> Secondly, the poppy poem is pro the continuing of

> war. Who supports that? See below..

>

> ?In Flanders Fields?

>

> In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow

>

> Between the crosses, row on row,

>

> That mark our place and, in the sky,

>

> The larks, still bravely singing, fly,

>

> Scarce heard amid the guns below.

>

> We are the dead; short days ago

>

> We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,

>

> Loved and were loved, and now we live

>

> In Flanders fields.

>

> Take up our quarrel with the foe!

>

> To you from failing hands we throw

>

> The torch; be yours to hold it high!

>

> If ye break faith with us who die

>

> We shall not sleep, though poppies grow

>

> In Flanders fields.

>

> I think you owe an apology to Mick Mac.

And I think you're talking out of your fecking arse.

Anyway, bloody Tottenham Hotspur!

[Jah Lush]

Otta Wrote:

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> I understand the argument, I just disagree with

> it. Plenty of Northern Irish people have died

> fighting for Britain as well.

This.

And Scots too! They are a Scottish team are they not?

[Otta]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> But I do think that sometimes people seem to find

> it impossible to think what it might be like to be

> in someone else's shoes, to have experienced what

> others may have experienced and ask themselves how

> they might feel.

>

> And again again again the world wars are a

> separate matter.

The irony.

I'm not trying to argue with you or wind you up, but that is the very point. If these people don't wish to reaspect the dead of the British army, that's absolutely fine, I get it, but they should be able to shut the fuck up for ONE MINUTE, that's just 60 seconds, and let those that do want to pay their respects do it.

Anyway, lets move on, I'm not having a go because it's Celtic, I have nothing in particular against them, and would say the same things about any club making that decision.

[malumbu]

I don't usually agree with Lineker, but Mourinho, 'precious'. You scrape a point that you don't deserve and you haven't even the humiliaty to admit it. A plague on you. I did enjoy the chants of "sacked in the morning" coming from the only noisy part of the ground.

Tut tut, I forgot, Footba is a local game for local people. Well done to Palace for a deserved point, and to Bromley for their 5-0 victoria. DHFC were robbed by all accounts. Wont mention the Lions' result.

In another world I lived in Glasgow and went to probably the most frightening match of my life, Celtic vs Forest in the UEFA Cup. About 400000 in the Jungle with the chants of Argentina, Argentina, and "IRA, Irish Rubublican Army (to the tune "we all agree, Man United are rubbish") before the match started and then naughty Cloughie silenced them with a 2-0 win. I'll leave it there.

[Alan Medic]

Otta, given you support a team who supporters sing a bastardisation of The Fields of Athenry, perhaps you should read up on what the ballad is about. Maybe it will help explain why there even is a Glasgow Celtic. You don't get the history at all it seems.

As for you JL, given you only seem to be able to fire abuse today, I'll take it your hungover and are enjoying a cure.

[Jah Lush]

No. I didn't drink alcohol at all yesterday. What's your problem?

[Otta]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> Personally I think people should be able to keep quiet for a minute as a mark of respect to those who it means something to.

AM I do know the history. Read my last post. My point is exactly the same as the one you made earlier. I'm not asking them to wear a poppy or change their views, but just to " keep quiet for a minute as a mark of respect to those who it means something to" (your words).

We seem to agree yet you're trying to argue with me.

[Alan Medic]

My problem is I disagree with your comment that I am talking out of my arse.

[Mick Mac]

That will account for Jah being so grumpy.

Otta. You keep saying you understand, but you don't.

[Alan Medic]

Otta Wrote:

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> Alan Medic Wrote:

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> -----

> >.

> > Personally I think people should be able to keep

> quiet for a minute as a mark of respect to those

> who it means something to.

>

>

>

> AM I do know the history. Read my last post. My

> point is exactly the same as the one you made

> earlier. I'm not asking them to wear a poppy or

> change their views, but just to " keep quiet for a

> minute as a mark of respect to those who it means

> something to" (your words).

>

> We seem to agree yet you're trying to argue with

> me.

Yeah but there wasn't a minutes silence at Ross County. You write as if there were and it was abused by Celtic fans.

You're speculating as to what might have happened.

[Otta]

And regarding the "fields of anfield road", what's your point? There are A LOT of Irish people in Liverpool and they've used the tune. So what? It's not like they're taking the piss out of the subject matter, they've just used the music. I'm not sure why you bring it up.

[Jah Lush]

I'll admit to being grumpy that Spurs lost and that some people can't show some respect for the fallen and the injured and the mentally scarred of futile wars in foreign lands. I'll be even more grumpy if the Wanderers win at Old Trafford, which I fully expect them too. I'll try not to post again today if that makes you happy. Tomorrow, as a Spurs fan I'll probably have to deal with Gooners rubbing my nose in it that that they are eight points clear of us. Ho! hum. Have a good day.

[Mick Mac]

I'm thinking it might be a bad day for United today. Could be the beginning of the end RD???