Football Focus

[El Pibe]

easy choice, city please.

[maxxi]

Woudn't mind a Liverpool win - without Gerrard (can't help it - just hate the fecker)

Ditto Chelsea without Lampard and Terry (double, double ditto)

In wish-terms I'd prefer a total collapse at the top and Everton to nick it.

[titch juicy]

Liverpool for the title please.

I despise Arsenal, Chelsea and City equally.

[Mick Mac]

Not a big Gerrard fan here either maxxi. But he looks up for the fight I have to admit. Sunday is a very big game in his career.

[Parkdrive]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> Liverpool for the title please.

>

> I despise Arsenal, Chelsea and City equally.

I feel that way about Yanited, CSKA Fulham and Spurs are a distant third. City fans are beginning to make me feel the same way about them as other shower in Salford

[Bluerevolution]

PD, johnny come latelys make us feel sick too-we are buzzing now but know just how quickly the tide can turn and be playing York (no disrespect to York) away.

Those that say we have done because of money should look at there own "histories"

[red devil]

Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> PD, johnny come latelys make us feel sick too-we

> are buzzing now but know just how quickly the tide

> can turn and be playing York (no disrespect to

> York) away.

> Those that say we have done because of money

> should look at there own "histories"

The problem a lot of people have with City and Chelsea is that their money wasn't self generated. Every club has 'bought' the title, but City and Chelsea have taken it to another level that doesn't sit well with other fans...

[red devil]

Parkdrive Wrote:

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> titch juicy Wrote:

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> > Liverpool for the title please.

> >

> > I despise Arsenal, Chelsea and City equally.

>

>

> I feel that way about Yanited, CSKA Fulham and

> Spurs are a distant third. City fans are beginning

> to make me feel the same way about them as other

> shower in Salford

So cutting, I shan't sleep tonight...

[titch juicy]

red devil Wrote:

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> Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> > PD, johnny come latelys make us feel sick

> too-we

> > are buzzing now but know just how quickly the

> tide

> > can turn and be playing York (no disrespect to

> > York) away.

> > Those that say we have done because of money

> > should look at there own "histories"

>

> The problem a lot of people have with City and

> Chelsea is that their money wasn't self generated.

> Every club has 'bought' the title, but City and

> Chelsea have taken it to another level that

> doesn't sit well with other fans...

This, exactly.

I'm hoping success comes to a club in the Premier League, a little like what's going in with Atletico at the moment.

In that respect, and as Spurs fan, i'd rather Arsenal won the league in front of Chelsea and City.

[Bluerevolution]

red devil Wrote:

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> Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> > PD, johnny come latelys make us feel sick

> too-we

> > are buzzing now but know just how quickly the

> tide

> > can turn and be playing York (no disrespect to

> > York) away.

> > Those that say we have done because of money

> > should look at there own "histories"

>

> The problem a lot of people have with City and

> Chelsea is that their money wasn't self generated.

> Every club has 'bought' the title, but City and

> Chelsea have taken it to another level that

> doesn't sit well with other fans...

In what way have other clubs "self generated" ? United floated on SE in 1991 and have used that PLC staus to "borrow" to buy players and are seriously in debt.

ST holders have to also pay automatically for cup games, they have now (I believe) stood down on charging CL prices for Europa games-but only after a lot of ST holders saying bugger that. (A little known fact-ST revenue is 67%+ of club revenue)

Our latest record signing is Sergio Aquero for ?38m in 2011, United paid over ?30m for Rio in what year ? Inflation would mean Rio is worth ?300m+. United are paying "turn up if I feel like it" Rooney ?300k p/w- City aren't paying anything like that on 1 player.

This "You've got the oil money behind you" is irksome- like for like City have paid very little

[titch juicy]

Individual one-off player fees isn't the issue though is it? I've found that it's fairly typical of City fans to massage the facts to suit in recent years (I have a couple of close friends as city fans).

The HALF A BILLION spent over four seasons 2008 - 2012 and the massive wages paid to a large number of players, is what irks. No club, not even Chelsea comes close to that.

[Bluerevolution]

Give me bloody strength.

Check facts before plucking {Daily Mail} figures out of the air.

Investment of around ?565m has been made since 2008, football terms drop in the ocean-Sheikh Mansour IS worth billions but that isn't a blank cheque book.

Glazers floatation on NYSE was hoped to raise ?900m, it didn't.

There has been multi millions of pounds put into grass roots and local community football by MCFC. Have you seen what Etihad campus is becoming ? No, thought not.

Yes, we have bought players-who hasn't ?

[red devil]

If you want to give something back to the community, how about paying back all the money to the council tax payers of Manchester that was spent on building the Council House, thus owning it outright instead of the peppercorn rent you currently pay.

I'll reply to your other 'points' another time, there's a beer with my name on it :)...

[El Pibe]

yep, gerrard is about 80% of the reason i want Liverpool to blow it.

[El Pibe]

As for sudden riches, i have sympathy for city fans who are used to being, well, lets face it, shit for quite a long time.

It probably sits a little uneasy all this success and wealth, i know it would if something similar (icelandic biscuit magnates don't count) happened at west ham.

Still be preferable to a bunch of porn merchants, a cyncical manager of the brutalist school of football and Karen bloody Brady!

[Otta]

So is iot just the FA Cup final against your lot that makes you hate Gerrard? Can't see anything that makes him more or less hateable than most other players to be honest. And he certainly doesn't deserve to be lumped in to a group with bloody Terry!!!

I think most neutrals want Liverpool just for the way they've played this year.

[titch juicy]

Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> Give me bloody strength.

> Check facts before plucking {Daily Mail} figures

> out of the air.

> Investment of around ?565m has been made since

> 2008, football terms drop in the ocean-Sheikh

> Mansour IS worth billions but that isn't a blank

> cheque book.

>

> Glazers floatation on NYSE was hoped to raise

> ?900m, it didn't.

>

> There has been multi millions of pounds put into

> grass roots and local community football by MCFC.

> Have you seen what Etihad campus is becoming ? No,

> thought not.

> Yes, we have bought players-who hasn't ?

Daily Mail facts? There are plenty of websites that are very easy to find that present full transfer histories.

Everybody has bought players, but only one club spent anything approaching ?500,000,000 on players in 4 seasons.

Yes I know exactly what you're doing with your academy and training facilities- once complete it will be the only complex in the world better than Tottenham's.

?500m in four seasons,a drop I the football ocean? Name one British club that's spent anything approaching that in the time frame. You bought one title and one cup (which in itself is a laughably bad return on that 'investment'). If the FFP rules had been brought in 7 or 8 years later you'd be nowhere near where you are now. Success was bought with no solid foundations- nothing built. At least United's success of the last quarter century was based on a successful youth system, initially.

United under the Glazers is a very different thing to United pre- Glazers. Put the bitterness aside for one second and admit that you simply bought success In a similar to Chelsea but just I a slightly more vulgar way.

The Sheik's net worth is precisely zero consequence to this argument. How much he's spent is.

[maxxi]

Otta Wrote:

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> So is iot just the FA Cup final against your lot

> that makes you hate Gerrard? Can't see anything

> that makes him more or less hateable than most

> other players to be honest. And he certainly

> doesn't deserve to be lumped in to a group with

> bloody Terry!!!

>

Not really - I WANT to say it's his face - just his bloody wrinkly-foreheaded permanently whiny fecking face (and voice) - but it's more than that. It's just him, the whole package, the way he has conducted himself and the sh*t he has come out with over the years - can't be specific he just gets up my fricking nose.

Agreed he is not in same league as Terry and I wasn't making a comparison so much as giving reasons for a 'fantasy footy finish'. I probably dislike him like I dislike Lampard - that still puts them both a league or two above the Terry level.

[Otta]

Fair enough. I can see why he's not everyone's cup of tea, but as a Liverpool fan I have to forgive him the occasional dive for all he's done and continues to do on the pitch.

[El Pibe]

Yep, wayyyyyy less loathsome than terry, ut slightly more hateful than lampard (whom I always liked at wh, though many didn't) but his responses have been.....unseemly...but gerrard, awful, just awful.

[Jah Lush]

titch juicy Wrote:

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> In that respect, and as Spurs fan, i'd rather

> Arsenal won the league in front of Chelsea and

> City.

Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap and water. As a Spurs fan your dislike of Chelsea should be a smidgeon less than the Goons.

[titch juicy]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> titch juicy Wrote:

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> > In that respect, and as Spurs fan, i'd rather

> > Arsenal won the league in front of Chelsea and

> > City.

>

> Go and wash your mouth out with carbolic soap and

> water. As a Spurs fan your dislike of Chelsea

> should be a smidgeon less than the Goons.

The game's changing Jah- 10 years ago it would have undoubtedly been the case- but I have a grudging respect for them now- the times of hating someone just because i'm 'supposed' to is behind me. The banter with gooners is still good for a laugh, but irrational hatred is a thing best left in the 20th century. I like good reasons for hating football teams now- city and chelsea have that in spades.

[Mick Mac]

All success is bought to a certain extent. Liverpool buying Dalglish and Barnes in the old days. But if Liverpool could win this year it would be a case of them punching way above their financial weight, which would be refreshing.

[Jah Lush]

Yeah, I'd rather Liverpool won it than anyone else this season.

[Jah Lush]

3-1 down at half-time. The race for seventh is well and truly on. Come on you Baggies.