Football Focus

[Parkdrive]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Good post Otta. Spot on.

>

> Anyway, watching the England match tonight and

> they're playing like a bunch of strangers. Rooney

> in particular is showing how "world class" he is -

> i.e = rubbish.

Agreed

[StraferJack]

you did say this tho, PD

""So you think the hatred as referred to by ????'s in general terms is ok on here but not race hate in football? " "

you can see why people might think you were splitting hairs, no?

[El Pibe]

I think it was this post

"Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking racial hatred here, or are you missing the point on purpose?"

I admit my jaw dropped when I read it as the comma, strictly speaking, means the clauses "you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking racial hatred here" are related.

Then I realised that's not what he meant, but instead of trying to make that clear as usual PD just upped the confrontational ante.

I guess what he meant was

"Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave, you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking racial hatred here [not club rivalry], or are you missing the point on purpose?"

But of course the point was that club rivalry was exactly what we were talking about, we had moved on from racism to players moving to rival clubs and club hatred.

Anyway, I'll take silence as an implicit apology to quids that what he wrote was easily inferred as an accusation of racism even if it wasn't (and i really don't think it was) implied.

Oh and imply vs infer

[StraferJack]

I hope he stays at one and doesn't go up to 4

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5c/MeanMachine.jpg/350px-MeanMachine.jpg

[Parkdrive]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> I think it was this post

>

> "Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave,

> you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking

> racial hatred here, or are you missing the point

> on purpose?"

>

> I admit my jaw dropped when I read it as the

> comma, strictly speaking, means the clauses

> "you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking

> racial hatred here" are related.

> Then I realised that's not what he meant, but

> instead of trying to make that clear as usual PD

> just upped the confrontational ante.

>

> I guess what he meant was

>

> "Chuckle? you've made me fall about. Behave,

> you're not exactly snow white, and we're taking

> racial hatred here , or are you missing the point

> on purpose?"

>

> But of course the point was that club rivalry was

> exactly what we were talking about, we had moved

> on from racism to players moving to rival clubs

> and club hatred.

>

> Anyway, I'll take silence as an implicit apology

> to quids that what he wrote was easily inferred as

> an accusation of racism even if it wasn't (and i

> really don't think it was) implied.

>

> Oh and imply vs infer

Apologise for what exactly? I've not accussed him of anything. He stated that I was rude, etc and then says I'm, a "K*nt". So my point is that he was not as pure as the driven snow, snow white as in he has been guilty of the things he accuses me of. Clearly you are reading something into my posts which aren't there.

[El Pibe]

and clearly you're not reading mine.

Never mind, I tried.

[Parkdrive]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> and clearly you're not reading mine.

> Never mind, I tried.

Indulge me, are you really seriously suggesting I should apologise?

[El Pibe]

If I'd have written that and saw how it could easily be read as accusing someone of being racist I most definitely would have followed it up with

"that reads like x, apologies, it certainly wasn't intended that way"

The rest of your spat is your (plural) business.

[red devil]

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Good post Otta. Spot on.

>

> Anyway, watching the England match tonight and

> they're playing like a bunch of strangers. Rooney

> in particular is showing how "world class" he is -

> i.e = rubbish.

That's because they are in a playing sense. The top sides tend to pick themselves, with England you get the feeling that Roy still doesn't know his best side, and could perm any 11 from about 18. At least there were two positives from last night, Sterling and Lallana...

[Parkdrive]

El Pibe Wrote:

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> If I'd have written that and saw how it could

> easily be read as accusing someone of being racist

> I most definitely would have followed it up with

>

> "that reads like x, apologies, it certainly wasn't

> intended that way"

>

> The rest of your spat is your (plural) business.

Yet I've said many times that's isn't what I've accused him of, just his take on it. not sure what else I can add.

[El Pibe]

"Yet I've said many times that's isn't what I've accused him of, just his take on it. not sure what else I can add."

Indeed you did,. but you denied any culpability as if it had come out of thin air.

You have to remember, imply and infer are about interpretation. If the writing is ambiguous and everyone else sees a clear inference, then it doesn't matter the intention of the writer. I believe libel laws can hang on such things.

Sally Bercow used the 'i didn't mean that guv' defence and lost.

[El Pibe]

although in fairness she did mean that, and you didn't....I'll shut up now basically....

Paul ince he is illegitimte, he ain't go no birth certificate etc.....

[red devil]

Wowser...

 

[Jah Lush]

Class. I'd swap the seven players we bought on the strength his sale to have him back at the Lane. A wonderful player and a joy to watch.

[Ladygooner]

Typical - Wilshire out for 6 weeks following foot injury from last night's meaningless friendly!

[Jah Lush]

*Titters*

[Parkdrive]

Ladygooner Wrote:

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> Typical - Wilshire out for 6 weeks following foot

> injury from last night's meaningless friendly!

Yep, cheers England and Agger.

[Bluerevolution]

apparently Arsenal fans are trying to lodge a complaint against Agger and Liverpool that Wilshere was "done on purpose, knobbled to stop our chance" Behave !!

Oh by the way, my ickle citeh won some shitty shiny trophy on Sunday !!!

NO HISTORY !!

[Parkdrive]

Bluerevolution Wrote:

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> apparently Arsenal fans are trying to lodge a

> complaint against Agger and Liverpool that

> Wilshere was "done on purpose, knobbled to stop

> our chance" Behave !!

> Oh by the way, my ickle citeh won some shitty

> shiny trophy on Sunday !!!

>

> NO HISTORY !!

Fans have not lodged a complaint, the club want compensation for the injury from the FA, which is fair enough.

[El Pibe]

OK, rather overdoing it, especially suggesting picking a striker who isn't even match fit, and Downing has his haters, but Noble, there's truth in them thar hills

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/06/why-roy-hodgson-must-start-picking-west-ham-stars-like-andy-carroll-stewart-downing-and-mark-noble-for-englands-world-cup-2014-squad-4444228/

[Parkdrive]

Downing? Really? We are in a bad way.

[El Pibe]

We ARE in a bad way though!

I'd put the current squad in about the third tier of quality. We are neither challengers nor outsiders, we're makeweights currently.

[Jah Lush]

Downing, Noble and Carroll? You're having a giraffe. He's right about Cleverly though. Useless.

[El Pibe]

Noble is dogged, determined, a good tackler and passer, good awareness and positioning, and can occasionally boot the ball well.

He's far from a star player and maybe not a game changer, but he's effective and personifies the spirit the national team utterly lacks right now.

Given the dearth of talent and the insipid displays so called great players have shown in recent years, give me a Noble in the squad any day.

[El Pibe]

If we can't do it pretty (and we can't), do it huffing and puffing. Maybe we could do a Greece!