Sue Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 21 hours ago, Moovart said: Fortunately it wasn't at a junction near us. Coming to a junction near you soon! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 11 hours ago, malumbu said: Love to see some photos of the 27 signs. Which roads I will have to check them out SAD Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Sad that I am interested in this apparent excessive signage, sad that it may exist (I'd like the evidence) or sad that it may be a distraction to motorists? Or all three? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchieCarlos Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 An absolute specimen decided yesterday to ram the plastic fences by Derwent Grove and drive his Golf over them 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, ArchieCarlos said: An absolute specimen decided yesterday to ram the plastic fences by Derwent Grove and drive his Golf over them Is that the car involved? Knowing nothing about cars, I can't tell if it's a Golf. The number plate is clearly visible. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladi Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 2 hours ago, ArchieCarlos said: An absolute specimen decided yesterday to ram the plastic fences by Derwent Grove and drive his Golf over them Did you actually see it happen? I ask because the evidence in the photo suggests that all the cones and green barriers appear to be pushed over from the left to the right -possibly by a pedestrian. They would have been used to cordon off the area on the left where materials are being stored. The cones and green barriers are also in are all in a straight line whereas if they were rammed by a car then they would have been scattered randomly more to the left. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exdulwicher Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 26/05/2025 at 17:46, malumbu said: Sad that I am interested in this apparent excessive signage, sad that it may exist (I'd like the evidence) or sad that it may be a distraction to motorists? Or all three? Back in about 2016 there was a rewrite of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directives (it's not exactly a fascinating read, I warn you now...) that required certain signs - things like "New Road Layout Ahead" or "Changed Priorities Ahead" - to have a yellow sticker on the back with a note that they were temporary signs and they should be removed by [date]. And to have a contact number for the council on there. So any of those can easily be reported. IN theory, councils are supposed to have a record of this stuff but in practice, most no longer have the resources to manage small scale highways assets effectively. Thanks, austerity. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Austerity or CBA-ity? 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) 6 hours ago, exdulwicher said: Back in about 2016 there was a rewrite of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directives (it's not exactly a fascinating read, I warn you now...) that required certain signs - things like "New Road Layout Ahead" or "Changed Priorities Ahead" - to have a yellow sticker on the back with a note that they were temporary signs and they should be removed by [date]. And to have a contact number for the council on there. Thanks, yep there is good guidance out there. But to date I've not seen signage that people have complained about that is not obvious. I understand there had been some confusion over the timing of restrictions but not that it is not clear that there are restrictions. Of course in more rural areas I've seen signage obscured by foliage and the like. 9 hours ago, ArchieCarlos said: An absolute specimen decided yesterday to ram the plastic fences by Derwent Grove and drive his Golf over them I really try not to get into us Vs them but stories like this do get my hackles up about entitled motorists. There is also the case of not alienating motorists when reasonable people get done, including me, for relatively innocent stuff yet*, yet there are some who couldn't give a fig who park on double yellows, on pavements, drive up bus lanes and the like and get away with this. Two out of the three because local authorities generally do not enforce parking restrictions at night, and this has long since been a police priority. The third when they know there is no camera. At the worst when they have illegal number plates that cannot be read by ANPR. Whilst I am on the subject of entitlement smoky exhausts get my goat, usually because the particulate filter has failed or worse still been removed. Police, again, no longer stops such vehicles, and there is always a friendly MOT inspector where you can get away with this. * I've admitted to my fines on chats and now just take a lot more care. Or just don't drive! Edited May 28 by malumbu Typing too quickly Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab29 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 9 hours ago, ArchieCarlos said: An absolute specimen decided yesterday to ram the plastic fences by Derwent Grove and drive his Golf over them Is this not a regular Southwark council BAU - we are now back in 70ies? 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzer Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 26/05/2025 at 17:46, malumbu said: Sad that I am interested in this apparent excessive signage, sad that it may exist (I'd like the evidence) or sad that it may be a distraction to motorists? Or all three? the first Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab29 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) On 28/05/2025 at 18:30, ab29 said: Is this not a regular Southwark council BAU - we are now back in 70ies? On 28/05/2025 at 18:30, ab29 said: Is this not a regular Southwark council BAU - we are now back in 70ies? Traffic cones and traffic fences seem like a motif this year; some have been there for months and months - council is really busy wasting taxpayer money 🤔 Edited May 31 by ab29 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1708805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pecksniff Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 A new Zebra crossing has been installed just before Derwent Grove. Also bike lane near new island turning right into Melbourne Grove. 1 2 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1709382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab29 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 15 hours ago, pecksniff said: A new Zebra crossing has been installed just before Derwent Grove. Also bike lane near new island turning right into Melbourne Grove. What are there benefits for pedestrians? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1709464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march46 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 The new zebra crossing makes it easier, and much safer for pedestrians to cross the road. It’s really great to see the council prioritising pedestrians as they should in the hierarchy of road users. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1709468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab29 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 4 minutes ago, march46 said: The new zebra crossing makes it easier, and much safer for pedestrians to cross the road. It’s really great to see the council prioritising pedestrians as they should in the hierarchy of road users. Was there a pedestrian crossing there before? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1709470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 05/06/2025 at 20:40, march46 said: The new zebra crossing makes it easier, and much safer for pedestrians to cross the road. It’s really great to see the council prioritising pedestrians as they should in the hierarchy of road users. This new crossing is totally unnecessary, surely. Just a few metres down the road, towards the station, there is a pedestrian island. I just used it this morning after having walked down Melbourne Grove. OK it's not a zebra crossing, but it's a perfectly safe and easy place to cross East Dulwich Grove. Why on earth are so many places for pedestrians to cross needed on such a short stretch of level road? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
march46 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 It’s not a pedestrian island, nor a safe place to cross. It’s an island to protect people cycling whilst they wait to turn right. Not where you would want children crossing the road. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 (edited) On 26/05/2025 at 10:56, jazzer said: SAD Has Jazzer morphed into Trump? On 10/06/2025 at 13:08, march46 said: It’s not a pedestrian island, nor a safe place to cross. It’s an island to protect people cycling whilst they wait to turn right. Not where you would want children crossing the road. Eh? Islands like this are all over the place, or used to be - nothing to do with cyclists, or didn't used to be. Are we talking about the same thing? I can't see how cyclists would fit in there! I'd have been quite happy for my grandchildren to cross there when they were younger. They are grown up now. ETA: I looked at it yesterday while passing, and I see it is intended for cyclists to stop there, but given the vertical island indication (don't know what it's called, sorry) I don't think it's clear that it isn't also intended for pedestrians. I had no idea such things for cyclists existed! Edited yesterday at 09:14 by Sue 2 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted Thursday at 15:16 Share Posted Thursday at 15:16 On 05/06/2025 at 19:34, ab29 said: What are there benefits for pedestrians? What are the benefits to pedestrians? Of a zebra crossing and larger pedestrian area? I guess if you flip the question it might help - is it better for pedestrians to have less space and fewer safe crossing points? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ab29 Posted Thursday at 15:23 Share Posted Thursday at 15:23 3 minutes ago, Earl Aelfheah said: What are the benefits to pedestrians? Of a zebra crossing and larger pedestrian area? I guess if you flip the question it might help - is it better for pedestrians to have less space and fewer safe crossing points? No idea what this fluffy words mean. Southwark council waste my council tax money on - what exactly? 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alice Posted Thursday at 15:26 Share Posted Thursday at 15:26 It was an expensive council error to put another crossing in that area when there are busier roads with no alternative crossings nearby. On it is not an island? Well, it looks like an island. It acts like an island people use it as an island so I think that makes it an island. Aka a little safe spot where people with bikes canpause while waiting to make a safe right hand turn 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted Friday at 08:28 Share Posted Friday at 08:28 People would also have moaned had they put in other crossings nearby. It's the same people who object to every single change to the public realm, regardless of what it is. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
first mate Posted Saturday at 09:34 Share Posted Saturday at 09:34 (edited) I watched an online discussion between Cllr McAsh and a street planner. Cllr McAsh stated that it had been felt within the Council that they could not be upfront there was a war on cars, that this had to be kept quiet because it could lose votes. But once in his current role he had decided to be frank and clear that there is...led by him. He also said that his response to residents who had complained to him about the impact on street changes turning relatively short car journeys into long ones, was 'that is the point'. In a nutshell, he quite deliberately intends to make car journeys as unpleasant as possible. Edited Saturday at 09:36 by first mate Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malumbu Posted Saturday at 22:51 Share Posted Saturday at 22:51 Make short unnecessary journeys unpleasant? I wouldn't use those words but happy with the sentiment. 1 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/359786-pavement-widening-outside-ms-nr-east-dulwich-station/page/8/#findComment-1710532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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