Flat conversion - Kelmore Grove

[red devil]

AFN - current Building Regulations for noise insulation is now far more stringent (and expensive for the developer) than they used to be for house to flats conversions.

I used to live in a flat that was converted in the 70's and could here my neighbours phone, TV, walking around etc..

I now live in a flat which was converted a few years ago, and there's hardly any noise transference...

[AllforNun]

it depends on the type of property, despite the increasing regulations it is still very much hit and miss depending on the fabric of the building and position of fireplaces throughout the property, but get your point.

[thebeard]

I don't think I'm blinkered I can see lots of large houses inhabited by just one person and plenty more with just two!

I'll never shave my beard!

I am a realist there is a shortage of good quality homes for people to live in!

Who gives a Damn about car parking!

Next you?ll be putting Pigs and Sheep over People whoops sorry we already do that?

Pigs and Sheep live in beautiful countryside with nice new housing regulated by the RSPCA.

Whilst we humans live in unsuitable small noisy housing where we are more worried about spoiling the already rotten view by restricting loft conversions and extensions.

WHY?

Because foolish selfish shortsighted individuals moan and groan about planning issues which they have no business getting involved in!

AND because many professionals benefit from the confusion a political gesturing which keeps many incompetent so called proffesional specialists employed.

RATHER than use common sense and build renovate and improve what we have we waste time money and effort keeping the few happy whilst the many suffer!

[antijen]

Thebeard you obviously have never experienced overcrowding but to say this is not a problem is bizzare, there are many families who have been on the southwark and housing association waiting lists for years, living in extremely cramped situations, small and big familys.

[AllforNun]

marvelous beard.....love it.....i shall grow one too.......i will leave it on for a week.......what a reposte !

[Jeremy]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that we don't need flats as well as houses, but we need to keep an eye on things to make sure we have the right mix. Dulwich - like any area in London - cannot support an unlimited population. It's not just parking and congestion, also the public transport is almost full to capacity, with limited scope for extra services.

[thebeard]

antijen Wrote:

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> Thebeard you obviously have never experienced

> overcrowding but to say this is not a problem is

> bizzare, there are many families who have been on

> the southwark and housing association waiting

> lists for years, living in extremely cramped

> situations, small and big familys.

That is exactly why I am Angry and Frustrated!

I don?t believe anyone should be living in cramped conditions.

If the existing planning was implemented correctly then we would not have such long waiting lists.

Antijen what are you going on about ?????

[thebeard]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> I don't think anyone is suggesting that we don't

> need flats as well as houses, but we need to keep

> an eye on things to make sure we have the right

> mix. Dulwich - like any area in London - cannot

> support an unlimited population. It's not just

> parking and congestion, also the public transport

> is almost full to capacity, with limited scope for

> extra services.

The right mix should be a balance of letting the market demand direct and restriction on real requirements.

The intensity of housing in London is LOW. Planning has become a political issue as per my previous post many so-called professionals are benefiting from the confusion and polaitical gesturing, which has become part of the planning system.

How can it be right that individuals spend tens of thousands of pounds on professional and legal fees? For a loft or extension which would cost the same to build? Where often the planning allowance would permit such development?

The SYSTEM is costing us all financially and restricting our benefiting from satisfactory housing for the majority to the benefit of the few.

I?m no Socialist I?m a ?Realist? and from what I can see of the development and the planning system in the UK and London is very much geared to serve the planners architects and those who have more rights than they deserve!

Since the 60?s and 70?s political effluence has be at the heart of sub standard housing it would appear that the Labour council investment over those years was geared to keeping many living in poor quality cheap housing in order to keep them voting for Labour and NOW Today we are seeing the same Political effluence directed towards every minor extension and conversion. IT IS a disgrace!

Whilst the NIMBY few crow on about XYZ (minor development next-door) the Political gesturing goes about messing with the already set planning allowances blurring the rights and requirements of the rest of us.

We should all be Disgusted and angry.

We may not realise but the lack of quality housing is a major factor in low living standards, which result in general stress levels and anger in our daily lives.

Giving rights to determine planning to a FEW neighbours and political wan bees is NOT good for any of us!

[lenk]

Planners - who are public servants paid by taxpayers are usually alright and do a decent enough job.

Planning committees - who make the ultimate decisions- are made up of elected members, aren't public servants, aren't paid and are generally half-wits.

I don't think people realise this when ranting about 'planners'.

When it goes to committee you can pull heart strings and get involved with hardcore NIMBYism rather than deal with the rational judgement of the planners who, in any case, work within the confines of the Town and Country Planning Act and any policy statements and local development frameworks to make their decisions.

It worries me that there are ED residents who have decided this is a 'family' area - whereby in reality there's several different types of inhabitants with as much right to live here as families. Unfortunately there seems to a belief from some that families over-ride all other groups in terms of what happens to an area - they don't.

[antijen]

I find it amusing that Londoners complain of overcrowding, its complete nonsense! Thebeard. Thats what I'm on about, it seemed to contradict what you were saying, but did make me wonder whar you were on about.

[thebeard]

lenk Wrote:

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> Planners - who are public servants paid by

> taxpayers are usually alright and do a decent

> enough job.

>

> Planning committees - who make the ultimate

> decisions- are made up of elected members, aren't

> public servants, aren't paid and are generally

> half-wits.

>

> I don't think people realise this when ranting

> about 'planners'.

>

> When it goes to committee you can pull heart

> strings and get involved with hardcore NIMBYism

> rather than deal with the rational judgement of

> the planners who, in any case, work within the

> confines of the Town and Country Planning Act and

> any policy statements and local development

> frameworks to make their decisions.

>

> It worries me that there are ED residents who have

> decided this is a 'family' area - whereby in

> reality there's several different types of

> inhabitants with as much right to live here as

> families. Unfortunately there seems to a belief

> from some that families over-ride all other groups

> in terms of what happens to an area - they don't.

I agree 100% especially about the half-wits

Efforts to appease the locals end up messing with our legal rights!

If anyone wants a real family area they could move out to Bromley or Tunbridge.

Fulham was once a Family area; time moves on and areas change with changes in demand and supply.

What is happening now is that because of the Internet and email it is increasingly easy to object to a planning application. This is causing more and more planning proposals to end up at the local Committee where the half-wits are rampant.

The Planners are increasingly forced to stand aside as emotion takes hold and rights are sidelined which takes time and money, which impacts us all.

Well all except the planning specialists and the half-wits who end up circling like vultures around the most minor details of straightforward planning applications.