Centrist politics - why have Tories gone further to the right?

[malumbu]

With the Labour bashing that often happens in the Lounge I thought it good to get some balance.

You don't need to bash Labour as they are doing it themselves.  I expect you could say that the LibDems are taking the centre left.  Despite Polanksi's landslide I don't see him as uniting the country.

So the question is why under Badenoch, following on from Truss and Sunak, has the Tory party continued to lurch to the right?  The obvious answer is their membership, some see many of these as climate change deniers and xenophobic https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-68581917

Will going down the direction of Reform win them any votes?  

What ever happened to one nation conservatism??

Genuinely interested.

 

Edited September 3 by malumbu
Bad Enoch

[jazzer]

It's Kemi Badenoch, at least get her name right.

Lurching even further to the right, maybe in your opinion.

Kemi is quietly getting on with the job of being in opposition, putting policies together and sharing those. 

British politics needs a radical change, however IMO, Reform is NOT the answer, only a distraction. Nigel is a flash in the pan having failed as UKIP he's come back as Reform who are so far right they are truly scary.  

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7545yz0171o#comments

 

Edited September 3 by jazzer

[malumbu]

Corrected, a typo, easy to remember Bad Enoch, after the infamous politician

Edited September 3 by malumbu

[malumbu]

@jazzer we all know your politics.  This is questioning why the Tories have moved to the right.  Not about Labour, you have other threads for this.

So (a) do you support your party moving to the right?

(b) Why do you see Farage as a flash in the pan?  He is gathering lots of momentum and I don't see that changing and I certainly don't see former Tory voters switching back.

Others may have views too!

[jazzer]

a. It's not moving further to the right. 

b. Reform is no good for the UK, they are the far right

Yes, lets hear other views. 

Edited September 3 by jazzer

[Sephiroth]

If Badenoch has announced a raft of policies, I'm all ears - what are they? I keep hearing now is not the time. So if Jazzer is happy with her policies what are they?

 

Also, given she is busy obfuscating about a whole bunch of fictions from her youth, as well as self-admitted criminal activity, I doubt she will be around much longer

 

Finally, Malumbu did get her name right - Badenoch. Why correct them? Or was that corrected in an edit?

[malumbu]

Corrected a typo.

 

 

[Dulwichway]

3 hours ago, malumbu said:

Corrected, a typo, easy to remember Bad Enoch, after the infamous politician

Shocking analogy, you should get another forum ban for that.

[malumbu]

Why don't you discuss the question rather than make a personal attack.  It's how I remember to spell her name.  

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2024/11/04/why-badenoch-is-dangerous/

Found this article by Richard Murphy, former accountant and tax avoider who now looks at the world from.a different perspective 

A little long and I'll need to digest.

 

[Sue]

1 hour ago, Dulwichway said:

Shocking analogy, you should get another forum ban for that.

Why is that shocking?

It's a fair enough way to remember how to spell her name. It wasn't an analogy. He wasn't comparing the two people concerned or saying they were alike.

And Enoch Powell was indeed infamous. 

[vladi]

Enock Powell certainly was demonised after making a speech  in 1968. In many ways it was out of character.

His was a most interesting character and arguably one of the most highly intelligent person to enter parliament. Powell spoke German, French, Italian, Modern Greek, Hindi and Urdu: plus had a reading knowledge of Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, and Welsh. Among classical languages, he knew Ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic.

If, for a moment, one  could set aside any preconceived opinions then one would find his biography absolutely fascinating.

Enoch Powell - Wikipedia
 

[malumbu]

In deed, and whatever we think there was great popular support for his more extreme views - feels like history is repeating itself.  However, really interested in the title of the thread.

[Sephiroth]

Ok. The thread title. 
 

in my view the whole country has moved to the right since Brexit.  Brexit was always going to be the gateway to populism 

you have a terrible voting system coupled with dreadful media which cowers almost any original thought. And the whole time you have the media and simpletons saying the U.K. under starmer is now some socialist gulag when starmer and co are largely imitating and implementing Tory policy from last 14 years

a complete shitshow with no visible way out - it needs someone who a) has the bravery to face down opponents but crucially b) not be a loony populist 

 

and I can’t see anyone who fits both (perhaps Ed Davey  but thanks to stupid voting system mentioned above he is doomed. The greens have a new charismatic but slightly odd leader but a party that is fundamentally divided by nimby fault lines  and then you have Corbyn and Sultana with usual brand of protest party, who will achieve nothing but pave a way for Tories/reform to take power) 

 

the Tories are obviously demented. Having birthed and nurtured a fantasy like Brexit, it chewed through 5 leaders in almost as many years whilst throwing out or repulsing any sensible Tory.  And now have an absolute narcissistic fantasist as current leader with someone even worse (Jenryck) lined up behind her 

 

so there we have it.  Sleep tight 

Edited September 3 by Sephiroth

[Dulwichway]

25 minutes ago, malumbu said:

 - feels like history is repeating itself-

Don't be ridiculous! 

 

48 minutes ago, vladi said:

Enock Powell certainly was demonised after making a speech  in 1968. In many ways it was out of character.

His was a most interesting character and arguably one of the most highly intelligent person to enter parliament. Powell spoke German, French, Italian, Modern Greek, Hindi and Urdu: plus had a reading knowledge of Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, and Welsh. Among classical languages, he knew Ancient Greek, Latin, Hebrew and Aramaic.

If, for a moment, one  could set aside any preconceived opinions then one would find his biography absolutely fascinating.

Enoch Powell - Wikipedia
 

And it appears that some of his fears have already come into fruition?

[Spartacus]

Interesting timing of this thread @malumbu

If I didn't know better I would say you've raised it to act as a deflection for the sh!t Rayner and Labour find themselves in today. 

One thing I've learnt is all politicians are in it for themselves and not us and if moving to the left or right gets them the results they want then they will. 

Edited September 3 by Spartacus

[Dulwichway]

33 minutes ago, malumbu said:

 - feels like history is repeating itself-

Don't be ridiculous! the majority will never let that happen. You and the regular left/far left just love stirring the pot of the few that use this forum. 😉

[malumbu]

There are other threads about Labour.  I'm interested it the party that should be considered the opposition.  They have half an opportunity but seem to be getting nowhere.  They remain part of the system, for the time being, even though Farage wants them decimated.  We've had one person speak up for them, but I've seen nothing of how they will turn things around.

[jazzer]

Suggest you do some research, its not hard. 

[Dulwichway]

The Tories have been pretty much left leaning since the irreversible Blair and Booth damage to Britain! now they are just starting to go right again, I guess.

[Sephiroth]

44 minutes ago, jazzer said:

Suggest you do some research, its not hard. 

Evidence would suggest otherwise given your contributions 

20 minutes ago, Dulwichway said:

The Tories have been pretty much left leaning since the irreversible Blair and Booth damage to Britain! now they are just starting to go right again, I guess.

This is…. Quite a take