Cyclist visibility

[Earl Aelfheah]

3 hours ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

I can't think of a single, local road safety measure, or public realm improvement that he hasn't objected to. So yes, it's just trolling.

You cut out the first bit. You can correct this if it's factually wrong? 

[Moovart]

Does anyone insist that hi Viz is the answer?  I think most people think lo Viz is just a bad idea if you are trying to look after your own safety. 

In the end you will never know how many people avoided death or injury by being more visible because you can't measure an incident that didn't happen.  But some things just make sense like being careful, and visible however you are traveling and not using a mobile phone when driving (and also when cycling and crossing the road).

And I'm glad you managed to avoid being hit by someone who was obviously driving dangerously and illegally.

 

[malumbu]

I last visited Amsterdam over 20 years ago.  I made the mistake of walking into the cycle lanes a few times without looking.  The cyclists alerted me to my mistake.  Id didn't blame them, or the Dutch government.  It was my own fault. I'm not sure hi vis would have made things any better. This was me not being used to the cycle infrastructure.  As great as the Netherlands is for bikes, Denmark takes it further.  All credit to both countries.  

[Rockets]

1 hour ago, Earl Aelfheah said:

You cut out the first bit. You can correct this if it's factually wrong? 

It is factually wrong but very typical of your posts. There are plenty of examples of me supporting public realm improvements and local road safety measures throughout the many years of this on-going debate....I just think you're choosing to ignore them because you think it legitimises your attacks. You're wrong. Very wrong (and not for the first time). As I say, I am not the one acting in a troll-like manner here.

Go take a look - I will await your apology.

45 minutes ago, Moovart said:

Does anyone insist that hi Viz is the answer?  I think most people think lo Viz is just a bad idea if you are trying to look after your own safety. 

In the end you will never know how many people avoided death or injury by being more visible because you can't measure an incident that didn't happen.  But some things just make sense like being careful, and visible however you are traveling and not using a mobile phone when driving (and also when cycling and crossing the road).

And I'm glad you managed to avoid being hit by someone who was obviously driving dangerously and illegally.

Absolutely 100% this. @march46 no-one has ever claimed that high-vis is the solution on this forum (I am not sure how some are getting to this conclusion but I think it is another case of putting words in people's mouths to suit their own personal narrative) but clearly high-vis certainly helps to be seen - I mean that's just commonsense.

Granted, no amount of high-vis is going to help with a driver with their head in their phone and they are a scourge of our roads and I hate it if I see people doing this and glad that you were ok @march46. As far as I am concerned it should be a long driving ban for anyone caught using their phone whilst driving.

[first mate]

On 13/11/2025 at 18:31, Angelina said:

The number of cyclists that are not wearing front and rear lights, or high visibility clothes is unreal.

Add to that dangerous weaving in and out, especially on this weather.

So selfish, irresponsible and dangerous.

I just thought it would be useful to remind everyone how this thread started.

The OP made a very valid point. But instead of looking at why maybe more cyclists are taking risks by not having lights and in addition choosing not to increase their visibility with hi-viz, some posters separated out the points in the statement, dismissing the no lights issue  ('illegal so no discussion necessary') and instead highlighted and focused solely on the hi-viz clothing aspect, some also choosing to mock to undermine, thereby deflecting from the original statement which made sense to many of us; as one poster put it- just common sense.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by first mate