will dex Posted August 2, 2008 Share Posted August 2, 2008 interesting theory BB. definitely something in it & re the South Bank - great place now, out there last night & the London Mayor also sorted the busses out (well, nearly anyway, but 100% better than was..) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-122667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 2, 2008 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Interesting debate on this on Radio 4 Any Questions - basically that well over 70% are better off but the gap between rich and extreme poor has widened considerably. And the smaller very poor percentage are now the concern of all parties - at least they are talking about it. And finally all are acknowleding perhaps throwing money isn't the single answer, but addressing the 'cycle' of poverty and holding those in it at least equally responsible for a solution. And I'll add, holding the very rich to account for a bit more humanity. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-122693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 No! I'm still bloody skint. Lemmy a fiver till payday? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiepanda Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I'm better off, but I don't think it's anything to do with new labour, just the difference between still being a student in my profession 10 years ago, and being qualified and having lots more work experience. I'd be a lot better off if I'd been sensible with my money when younger, think I was consistently living beyond my means for some years and wasted a lot of money on things I didn't really need. Debt all paid off now, but probably mainly because I could offset against growth in property value. Sold my house a year and a half ago when I moved to London, was fully expecting to have bought again by now, but obviously thought better of that since I moved here! Not the best time to buy if you can avoid it. So, will be trying to save my money to get as big a deposit as I can to put down when I buy again... could be some wait though! Hoping to learn to be a bit wiser with my money too... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 I've always lived beyond my means and I wish I could be more sensible with my money but being a seriously hedonistic type I've found that a fool and his money is soon partying. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive3300 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Marmora Man Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I'm better off too - tho' like a number on this> thread I see that primarily as a function of my> work and effort. > Surely that all competent government should do is create a stable base on which people can work toward their own prosperity - I think they have done this. It sounds simple, but few other governments seem to be able to do this. US: constant under and manic overreactions to events, both political and economicFrance: always takes the easiest option to keep the mob off the streetItaly: cant stay in power for more than a few months. seems pretty corruptSouth Africa: forgot to pay the cops or the power company. politics wrangling trumps all elseRussia: Boom and bust, totally dependent on energy. new Tsar wannabeAnd these arent even the really wierdo countries out there... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 The Chinese are more effective in our economy than any government since the war, in my opinion Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmora Man Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Quote Surely that all competent government should do is create a stable base on which people can work toward their own prosperity - I think they have done this. It sounds simple, but few other governments seem to be able to do this.Clive haven't you noticed - this government has been the most micro managing ever. Ultra complex taxation, ever more laws restricting the freedom of the individual, an intrusive state looking over everyone's shoulder (CCTV, DNA database, ID cards etc). I could go on but time's wasting.I would support a minimalist government (of any persuasion) that simply dealt with only those matters that cannot be better handled by individuals - and would argue that such matters are very few. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/3896-are-you-better-off/page/2/#findComment-123184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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