Roy Keane and Viera

[Mick Mac]

Love Roy Keane.

Best manager you ever played for. Brian Clough, without a doubt.

Best MU team, based on players you played with. No Scoles and no Giggs. On Giggs, "just because you have a great career doesnt mean you are a great player". Ronaldo gets the left wing spot. Ince gets the midfield spot alongside Keano.

Greatest moment at Man United. Being invited to play for the club.

[Mick Mac]

And Viera comes across as a gentleman.

Lifted the last Arsenal trophy in 2005. Tells a story.

[????]

Dear Mick,

I am not sure if you are aware but there is a whole thread called Football Focus on the EDF for say discussing,mmm, Manchester United's decline, or, ummmm, Roy Keane's autobiography...this stops spamming up the forum,

Let me know if you want any help on how to use the forum in the future

Best wishes

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[Jah Lush]

What Quids said.

[Mick Mac]

"Dear" Quids.

The Football Focus thread is a poor and disjointed manner in which to discuss any football related topic such that any matter is never discussed with any cohesion, before disappearing amongst all of the other mish mash of comments

If I/we want to ringfence a particular football issue then we should and if it does not have legs it will quickly die. I expect the Man United issue to have longevity of interest although I obviously don't expect the same from the Roy Keane thread.

Whilst the lounge is an inactive as it is currently, I'll continue. That's what the Lounge is there for.

Mick

PS: I know I am dear to you - but we have moved on from addressing each other in letter format posts on this forum a few years back.

PPS. FECK OFF ;-)

[Mick Mac]

On again tonight at 11pm on ITV 4, channel 24. Well worth a watch.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

Dirty Dancings on ch5, I've got no chance...

[ruffers]

Thanks for heads up, just set the record.

[Mick Mac]

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> Dirty Dancings on ch5, I've got no chance...

Nobody puts HMB in a corner.

[ruffers]

He carried a melon.

[Help-Ma-Boab]

*air punch*

[Help-Ma-Boab]

All kickin aff on ch5..

[mako]

Agree with Keanes sentiments above. Giggs' greatness came from longevity rather than being the best player. Both Sharpe and Kanchelskis had better periods than Giggs ever did, but obviously depends what your best team means. As a long term manager Giggs as good as it gets performing at the top for so long. But for one season if i could have a player on their top form sharpe/kanchelskis and ince would def be in instead of giggs and scholes. 'Best' manager not so clear as think Fergie did what clough did for longer. Fergies ruthlessness unlikely to make him a players favourite but from a clubs point of view no one will ever be better.

[red devil]

Ince wasn't good enough to tie up Scholes' laces...

[mako]

I would say ince's form and influence around 1993 was greater than scholes ever reached. Scholes was obviously better to watch and gets credit as mentioned for sustained performance and loyalty. But Ince around that time was immense.

[Otta]

At least Ince could tackle.

[Mick Mac]

Ince in that night in Turin when England qualified, blooded etc was one of his finest hours.

I have to say I have been surprised by the very high level of accolades won by Scholes in recent years from xavi etc. Very good distributor mainly ?

[Alan Medic]

Just finished reading SAF's autobiography and I do think he manages a more balanced outlook on many things than Keane does. That wisdom comes with age though none of us will be perfect however old we get. I did find it amusing that he said Beckham was the only player he ever came across who could never admit to having made a mistake (in a game). Even after showing him the video of what he meant Beckham couldn't see it.

I also agree that Giggs was not the greatest but his longevity is amazing. When I saw him score his first goal against Spurs (I think) I was hoping for a new Georgie Best as it was a great goal. He was never that though.

I really liked Kanchelskis and can only guess he moved for money. Sharpe too was good but perhaps lacking the dedication of some of the others in that era.

[Laddy Muck]

MM, you may as well just "come out" and be done - you (red) devil. :))

And, for the record, I think RK is a malicious and arrogant dick! Ner.

[????]

THIS

..was Ince's finest hour (especially 3.26)

One of my favourite nights at UP...

[Mick Mac]

Ger off my thread.

I did say one of his finest hours. But you don't get called the Guvnor (even if he chose the name himself the press ran with it) without bossing a fair few games so he would have had a few.

Keane said some people forget how good Ince was, when putting him in in front of Scholes.

[red devil]

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Great goal, would've got a yellow card for dangerous play had he scored it nowadays...

[ruffers]

Watched at and was erring toward giving RK some benefit of any doubt until he was asked about the Haaland assault and if he'd do anything different? - "No."

Whether it ended Haaland's career or not that was an occasion he could and should have reflected on. OK to go head to head with someone but that was something completely other.

[El Pibe]

The best people in the world (in some given field/world crisis) are rarely measured people with perspective and self reflection. The things that made Keane wonderfully dogged are the same things that would make you uncomfortable about him marrying your daughter.

[Mick Mac]

And the same things that may make your daughter want to be with him in the first place.

If my daughter brought Paul Scholes home, I'd tell her to try again.