The poor bollard on the corner of Adys Road and Nutbrook Street

[Earl Aelfheah]

Bit of advice... Just because your satnav tells you to make a turn, you don't have to.

[david_carnell]

I couldn't get out the e3nd of Maxted the other night after being trapped behind an overseas coach!

The thing got stuck turning onto Nutbrook let alone onto Adys.

I think it comes from the Peckham Lodge and is trying to get out onto the South Circular or similar and the satnav takes it thru narrow residential streets. Utter madness. It blocked traffic in three directions. Good jnob it was late at night and not rush hour tbh.

Others have seen HGVs come up and down. It's crazy but not sure how you could stop it. What would be the alternative route for them? Along to Camberwell and down Dog Kennel Hill I guess....

[Tigres Pride]

The saga continues: a replacement bollard

was installed;

was knocked askew;

and was removed

- all in the space of a few days over this weekend just ended!!!

[kford]

But they've installed a more substantial bell type bollard on the opposite corner, which isn't affected!

[Mrs TP]

I saw the council guys taking the taller bollard out yesterday and asked them what was going on, they said it is to be replaced with another bell bollard like the one by the postbox side - fingers crossed!

[PippaD]

Mrs TP Wrote:

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> I saw the council guys taking the taller bollard

> out yesterday and asked them what was going on,

> they said it is to be replaced with another bell

> bollard like the one by the postbox side - fingers

> crossed!

That what they said last time!!

I honestly believe that they put the bell bollard on the wrong corner and just dont want to admit it!!!

And so the story continues......... :)

[kford]

Well, the new half-bell bollard, which is already covered in paint scrapes, caught its first victim today - an Astravan was impaled on it, wedged solid, with the bollard stuck inside the nearside wheel arch and its tyre popped. The driver was attempting futilely to rock his van off it, to no avail.

[Mrs TP]

It's the second I have seen. A guy a couple of weeks ago got the middle of his car stuck on it - one wheel either side.

Cross that they have driven over the payment but also sympathetic. Is it really so much worse than the other corners around here? Does Amott and Adys have the same probs?

[david_carnell]

Much less traffic there as it's not the route through to Bellenden and out onto Peckham High Street.

Giant European coaches ferrying teens from the Peckham Lodge don't help the situation by getting wedged in small streets with parked cars either side. I've raised the issue with Cllr James Barber.

[Mrs TP]

Oh yes coaches. We had a Dutch teacher from a coach knock at our door recently at 9.30pm asking if we could move a car so their coach could get around the corner from Maxted into Nutbrook. I agreed to move it but pointed out that they wouldn't actually be able to get around the Nutbrook / Ady's corner further along. The driver went off to investigate and realised there was no way he could do it so tried to go the other way down Nutbrook but then hit the bollard at the top of Maxted outside the converted corner shop. It was all a bit of a mess and they ended up blocking up the junction for about 20 mins. He said he had made one wrong turn and then all had gone wrong following the sat nav re-routing. I felt really sorry for them. Much better signage is needed ahead of those tight corners.

[david_carnell]

I've suggested signage. And talking to the owner/manager of the Lodge to instruct drivers to go along to Camberwell and around and down Dog Kennel Hill.

You can't install width restrictors since the shops on Bellenden Road will sometimes need deliveries from large lorries.

[kford]

Move the junction how it was. Imagine a fire engine trying to get round.

[bawdy-nan]

I saw a poor learner driver crunch very, very slowly into that squat bell bollard today.

[Mrs TP]

Oh dear just passed a couple examining the damage to their car, scrapped all down the passenger side on the bottom panel beneath the car doors. The driver said he didn't see the bollard as too low :( I noticed all the tarmac is cracked around the bollard too, not really sure how much more it will take. However, glad the bollard is stopping pedestrians from being hit as cars take the corner too tightly.

[PokerTime]

It's a curious one because the junction is not really so narrow that vehicles should have problems navigating it. The raised road to kerb level probably doesn't help but there seems to be a lot of poor drivers making the same mistakes at this junction.

[kford]

Pedestrians wouldn't be hit if the road was left how the Victorians designed it. They'd be on the original pavement and cars would be able to negotiate it. It's poor design, pure and simple.

[david_carnell]

I disagree. I think there are a large number of very poor drivers around who don't look where they are going. The old bollard was even bigger and they hit that too.

Beginning to think it serves 'em right.

[jimmyraj]

Agree there's a lot of terrible drivers who can't successfully negotiate busy roads and tight corners, I avoid Adys at all costs during rush hour because it's jammed with people who try and queue closely behind the car in front rather than see the traffic coming the other way.

Saw a coach getting stuck up Maxted earlier in the week. Almost comical. Definitely deserving of 'no coaches' signage, probably at the bottom of Lyndhurst.

[Mrs TP]

You guys are right. In a regular vehicle it doesn't take much to negotiate the corner properly. I need to stop sympathising with incompetents!

[david_carnell]

It's now been virtually uprooted! How hard do you need to hit a little bell-bollard to do that? What speed are these people going? How big does it need to be before people drive carefully?

[kford]

Not speed, mass and torque. It must've been at least a Transit van

[Huggers]

I heard it happen yesterday as I was unpacking my car. A white van. Didn't see it actually hit the bollard but it was an almighty sound!

[david_carnell]

The thing is, if vehicles are being driven so carelessly I'm rather glad the bollard is there rather than it being a person getting swiped.

[kford]

david_carnell Wrote:

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> The thing is, if vehicles are being driven so

> carelessly I'm rather glad the bollard is there

> rather than it being a person getting swiped.

As I said earlier, pedestrians wouldn't be hit if the pavement was left how the Victorians designed it. They'd be on the original pavement, rather than a build-out and cars would be able to negotiate it, like every other corner in the area.

It's poor design, pure and simple, and the bollard is a problem put there to solve another problem, at our expense.

[david_carnell]

I disagree. Cars simply drive too fast, too poorly and without due care and attention. If this reduces speed so much the better. And no one who's hit it will do it again. Everyone who lives nearby knows to negotiate that corner slowly.

We shouldn't be designing our urban streets with car drivers in mind.