One for the Boxing fans!

[KidKruger]

np, will let you know !

[Jeremy]

I will be out of hospital but still stuck in Italy! The best I can hope for is some sort of round-by-round description on BBC Sports website.

I do get the impression that time is catching up with Froch, but I think Froch will win.

[KidKruger]

Otta and I will give you updates too !

[KidKruger]

Well there's no arguing this time, clean outcome.

[Otta]

What a punch!

Managed to see the second half of it on a dodgy live feed. I'm not sure I believe Froch's claim that he was working Groves around for that punch, I think he just gor the opening and took it.

[KidKruger]

It was an evenly matched fight, in theory could have gone either way.

Froch played a better game this time, but he'll always talk as if his wins are preordained !

Groves looked gutted, as he should be, but he'll come back.

Froch v Chavez Jr is something to look forward to. He shouldn't fight GGG because he'll be stopped in 4, maybe sooner.

[KidKruger]

People used to say that Froch is not as good ad Calzaghe and won't achieve the same legacy.

I think Froch's legacy now outshines Calzaghe's, just based on who he's faced.

IMO Calzaghe would have beaten Froch on points, but legacy-wise Froch is the man now.

Calzaghe has too many em question marks over who he fought at end of his career.

[Jeremy]

I think most would agree with that... Calzaghe the more talented boxer, but a relatively lacklustre CV.

If Joe had fought - for example - Sven Ottke, Antonio Tarver, and Kelly Pavlik (all of which he should have won) then his record would look a lot more impressive.

[KidKruger]

Yeah true.

However, getting Ottke to fight anyone decent was near impossible (and exactly impossible getting him to fight outside Germany !).

[Jeremy]

Part of the problem was that there really weren't that many good fighters operating at super middle during Joe's reign. Ottke was one of the few I could think of. Jones/Hopkins/Toney had all moved up to LHW by the time he'd won his title.

[KidKruger]

Also, Pavlikv wasn't fighting at SMW when Joe could have fought him.

Ricky Burns lost last night in Scotland, to a contender. Gonna be tough for him from here..

[KidKruger]

And Lomachenko gas a world title in his 3rd fight, beating Gary Russell Jr. was no small accomplishment.

[Jeremy]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Also, Pavlikv wasn't fighting at SMW when Joe could have fought him.

Yeah but possibly Pavlik - or Jermain Taylor - might have stepped up for the right price. It happens.

Ricky Burns is probably finished, I'm afraid. Writing's been on the wall since the Beltran fight.

[Otta]

Chissora Vs Fury is off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28412473

Gutted, was quite looking forward to a tear up.

[KidKruger]

Shame it's off - word was the winner may be in line for a world title challenge.

I wonder what Fury will do - keep busy with fodder ?

At least Golivkin v Geale is only a week later.

[Jeremy]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> word was the winner may be in line for a world title challenge.

Yes... but it seems like Warren claims almost every fight is a world title eliminator. Rarely is it actually true.

Fury really needs to get back into action, what with this and the Haye disappointment.

[KidKruger]

So Fury/Chisora are now back on for Oct/Nov, with Fury saying he'll 'make Chisora pay' for postponing the contest.

This Saturday Sheffield's Kell Brook finally gets his world title shot, after a sequence of injuries continually delayed his/Devon Alexander's ability to contest the belt. Meanwhile, Shawn Porter worked his way into contention, beating-up Alexander, making him Kell's opponent this weekend.

Porter recently KO'd Pauli Malignaggi, who's usually got a strong defense and movement. Shawn Porter cut the ring off and dismantled Pauli round by round. I hope this was due to Pauli's slowing-down through age.

Brook is a great boxer, with good power and excellent counterpunching, but he's never shared a ring with anyone near Shawn Porter's talent - Shawn and Keith Thurman surely are taking over the Welterweight division. Shawn is a beast, though he did struggle a bit with Julio Diaz (Khan ?).

I hope Brook wins (if so it'll need to be a KO, as the fight's in Vegas), but if forced to bet my house it'd have to be on Porter by points.

Meanwhile Deontay Wilder, somehow a #1 contender with one of the governing bodies having never fought a top 50 HW, fights a #103 ranked opponent.... WTF !

[Jeremy]

Can't see it going well for Brook (I'm thinking Cleverly/Kovalev all over again) but hope I'm wrong.

Fury vs Wilder would be interesting, but doubt it will happen as Wilder in particular seems risk averse.

[KidKruger]

Brook wins !!

Great win for him against one of the two feared WWs in the division (Thurman being the other, actually perhaps Maidana as well). I haven't watched the fight yet, but to win on points against a US champ in the USA is something.

I just hope this doesn't mean Khan fighting Brooks, instead Brook could / should face Bradley, Provodnikov, Chris Algieri (who's fighting Pacman next), Maidana, Thurman.

I've read complaints of Brook holding Porter as he came-in swinging, but that's down to the ref and Porter's corner can complain/appeal during the contest if they're that miffed about it.

Apparently the two boxers' faces told the story at the end, Brook having used his jab effectively.

ETA:

Just watched the YT clip of the contest (search on "kell brook vs shawn porter full fight" for a Polish version, complete with 'RunDLL' errors blocking part of the screen). There was equivalent amount of holding, more so towards the end from Porter as he tired. It was basically the same format from start to finish, Porter like a milling machine jumping in with constant short hooks while Brook either caught him on the way in with straights and jabs or stayed-put to clinch and spoil Porter's work. Brook took a lot of rabbit punches to back of head from Porter and a lot of headbutts, as he threshed during clinches. All the slo-mo between rounds showed Porter geting caught as he jumped-in, not Porter landing - because he hardly landed by comparison.

Fair win to Brook by 117-111, 116-112. Heaven knows what the even score from the third judge was about (well, we all know actually.

Good win, having watched it now it seems the reason why Porter did Malignaggi in only 4 rounds was Paulie M. didn't have the power to keep Porter honest as he jumped-in, whereas Brook clearly did. Brook was the better boxer and it took something to own that beast Porter.

[Jeremy]

Happy to be proved wrong! It seemed like such a step up for Brook, but he proved he belongs at world level.

There's a huge depth of talent in the WW division, so winning a legit belt is a huge acheivement. Hopefully he can hold onto it for a while to come.

[Otta]

Thought I'd posted yesterday but clearly not.

All the talk (including from Brook himself) is about a Khan fight, it seems to be the one Brook really wants and I'm guessing it's because he feels he's been unfairly kept in Khan's shadow and I think he really does want to beat him.

And now there's a title involved, and having seen froch v groves at wembley, Khan seems up for it.

I hope they do it and I hope Brook wins.

[Jeremy]

I'd like to see another good win each for Khan and Brook before making the fight.

[KidKruger]

great win by Carl Frampton against old foe Kiko Martinez, he boxed most of the fight going backwards, another world champ for GB.

[Alan Medic]

He represented Ireland as an amateur. Boxing, like a few sports there has one body representing the whole of the island. If you still want to claim him KK at least add the '& NI' to the GB.

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1000 KO