Dropped curbs

[LS1234]

We have just discovered that Southwark have a new rule that you have double line any new dropped curb and then to 2 meters either side of it. Do you know anything about this? It would mean that most people would be putting yellow lines outside their neighbours houses and seems totally excessive!

[Roundabout]

The disabled and mother/s with pram/s using same, would have to be seen by on-coming drivers. Seems reasonable to me to have space to enable both to be seen clearly.

[Jeremy]

Sounds odd to allocate 6m or so to each driveway, given that each house is around 5m wide.

Not sure why mums (or dads) with prams need to be more visibile than those without.

[BrandNewGuy]

Council scam - reduce parking space, get residents begging for CPZs, rake in the cash.

[Mustard]

Does this include all dropped curbs and not just those at street corners?

[intexasatthe moment]

I asked James B about this over on the ask a councillor thread .

At one point he says it's an option and then he says he's not aware of it being a new rule .

So who knows .

http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,336529,1382419,page=125#msg-1382419

[vgrant]

how come the ED pedant suicide cadre have not declared this post null and void 'cos the the spelling of kerbs ?

[maxxi]

vgrant Wrote:

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> how come the ED pedant suicide cadre have not

> declared this post null and void 'cos the the

> spelling of kerbs ?

Ok...

I blame little Miss Muffet-

Oh wait, that's curds-

No, they're the ones fighting Ices-

No wait, they're cold deserts-

No wait, that's the atac-Karma...

a-and so on...

[minder]

Vgrant - I knew what the Op meant but didn't want to correct the spelling but it does look so much better spelt 'kerbs' as we know it!

No wonder James B didn't know about it!

[KalamityKel]

Roundabout Wrote:

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> The disabled and mother/s with pram/s using same,

> would have to be seen by on-coming drivers. Seems

> reasonable to me to have space to enable both to

> be seen clearly.

As Jeremy queries... What?

Not sure what this has to do with dropped kerbs a long a stretch of road - surely it's the responsibility of the pedestrian, regardless of "disability", to ensure they cross at a safe place - being able to see clearly across the road. If they can't see another safer place should (yes I know people cross where ever and frustrates the hell out of me as an observer) should be found to cross.

Whilst many a time road users are unfriendly to the non road users (personal opinion) I can't see, in this instance, how visibility is an issue... perhaps I'm missing something?

[Mustard]

vgrant Wrote:

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> how come the ED pedant suicide cadre have not

> declared this post null and void 'cos the the

> spelling of kerbs ?

because they are both correct.

[Otta]

If you have a yellow line that spans only the length of the actual drop kerb, then in theory 2 vehicles could park either side of it. If you are in a wheelchair, you are lower than a standing adult, so these vehicles don't even need to be vans / people carriers in order to obscure the vision of on coming drivers to the fact a wheelchair user is about to try and cross the road.

Also, if you are in a wheelchair, you'd need to lean forward in order to peer around the parked vehicle to see if you were safe to cross. This in itself is not safe as it is likely that the front of your chair would now be further out in to the road than the parked vehicle. It's not the same as a standing adult quickly peeking out from behind a parked van.

It sounds to me as if this has been done for the safety of disabled pedestrians, probably after consultation with the likes of RNIB and other charities.

Thank me later.

[Jeremy]

Turning every driveway into a wheelchair crossing point is bonkers.

By all means have a few designated crossing points here and there with yellow lines, but EVERY dropped kerb? It makes no sense. Is this really correct?

[Otta]

No, since typing that I have read the James Barber thread in the main section and realised my error. Because of terminology used in my work, I think of a dropped kerb as a specific crossing point, I think of driveways as driveways.

[Otta]

Although I suspect the gist remains the same. They probably insist on a wider space in order that oncoming drivers have a better line of sight to anyone pullin out, and the driver pulling out can see what's coming better.