Townleygreen Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 This is very interesting...http://saferoxfordstreet.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/bus-driver-x-guest-blog-no-8.htmlIt seems TFL is trying to hide the fact that its working practices are leading to deaths and injuries on our roads. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 The cynic in me says that all the 'safety demands' will be quietly shoved aside with an extra couple of quid in the pay packets.Until next year, when the same squalid process will repeat itself. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> The cynic in me says that all the 'safety demands'> will be quietly shoved aside with an extra couple> of quid in the pay packets.> > Until next year, when the same squalid process> will repeat itself.Alternatively those people have genuine concerns, but let's not worry about that eh? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Anyone know what an average bus driver earns?I was gobsmacked the other day when a colleague was looking at jobs and showed me what you can earn diving a London Overground train. I know bus drivers will be a lot less, just wondering roughly what they're on. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiepanda Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Bus drivers aren't paid anything like what tube drivers get paid - they get around ?10 an hour. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Parkdrive Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Alternatively those people have genuine concerns,> but let's not worry about that eh?If they were indeed genuine, they wouldn't allow their concerns to be so easily bought out. Yet again and again, transport unions strike for 'safety reasons', yet it is settled with a pay rise.Though I agree with Indiepanda, bus drivers are on nothing like what tube drivers are on. Tougher job, IMHO, as well. It's the reason why anyone can become a bus driver, but tube driving is a closed shop. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Loz Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Parkdrive Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > > Alternatively those people have genuine> concerns,> > but let's not worry about that eh?> > If they were indeed genuine, they wouldn't allow> their concerns to be so easily bought out. Yet> again and again, transport unions strike for> 'safety reasons', yet it is settled with a pay> rise.> So all they ever go on strike for is money, and if it's true they get ?10 an hour I don't blame them. I'm guessing the majority of posters on the EDF earn twice that and upwards, yet when workers earning piss poor money dare to go on, or threaten, strike they are accused of being mercenary. Wonder how many of us would get out of bed for a tenner an hour. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Parkdrive Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> So all they ever go on strike for is money, and if> it's true they get ?10 an hour I don't blame them.> I'm guessing the majority of posters on the EDF> earn twice that and upwards, yet when workers> earning piss poor money dare to go on, or> threaten, strike they are accused of being> mercenary. Wonder how many of us would get out of> bed for a tenner an hour.You are (intentionally, I suspect) misrepresenting my words. If you think you deserve more money, then go on strike for that. As I said, I think bus drivers deserve to be paid for doing what is essentially a hard job.But don't go on strike for 'safety reasons', when a pay-off is all you are seeking. Classic RMT bollox. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarius moon Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks!I would do anything for a tenner an hour ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
missteak Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 More hot tugger action. Give it a break ffs, its supposed to be the season of goodwill and all that. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Townleygreen Posted December 27, 2014 Author Share Posted December 27, 2014 I see no one seems to be worried about the safety aspects of this matter! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eroguronansensu Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 aquarius moon Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Otta Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks!> > > I would do anything for a tenner an hour ;-)I have a tenner in my pocket ;-) Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-808997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted December 27, 2014 Share Posted December 27, 2014 aquarius moon Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Otta Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks! > I would do anything for a tenner an hour ;-)Bacon sandwich tester? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncleglen Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 That map was for pedestrian collisions- they should make jaywalking an offence- people are always dashing out into the road without looking in many cases. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffler Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 The Camberwell Green area was shown on the map as being a collision hotspot. I see people taking absurd risks all the time there, even dragging young children out into traffic. Use the pedestrian crossings FFS! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 aquarius moon Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Otta Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks!> > > I would do anything for a tenner an hour ;-)Drive a bus then. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigello Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I always say "hello" to the bus driver, realising that it must be a rarity for them to have any form of conversation with a punter unless it's one giving them aggro. I agree they ought to be paid more and that they do a tough job usually very well. However, I also note that a small minority drive too fast and occasionally go through red lights (which I pull them up over), which unsettles me. Combine such behaviour with that of the all-too-frequent jaywalking passenger and injury and death can't be too far behind. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquarius moon Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> aquarius moon Wrote:> --------------------------------------------------> -----> > Otta Wrote:> >> --------------------------------------------------> > > -----> > > A tenner an hour to do that job? No thanks!> > > > > > I would do anything for a tenner an hour ;-)> > > Drive a bus then.I can't even drive a car let alone a bus. If I could, I would. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkdrive Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Townleygreen Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I see no one seems to be worried about the safety> aspects of this matter!On the contrary, I've stated previously that there may be genuine safety concerns. Loz on the other hand seems to think this in not about safety issues and bus drivers on piss poor money are doing it for nothing more than more money. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think Loz has been very clear. He agrees that they are poorly paid, and suggests that if they are concerned about money, they should strike over pay.If they are REALLY concerned about safety, they should strike specifically over those issues, and not go quiet about them because they are offered a pay rise to keep quiet. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loz Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Bingo, Otta. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Medic Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Having had to take the bus frequently over the last week due to LB being closed I can only agree with those who say ?10ph is too little. I can only guess that driving a train is a doddle compared to driving a bus. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowlander Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Alan Medic Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Having had to take the bus frequently over the> last week due to LB being closed I can only agree> with those who say ?10ph is too little. I can only> guess that driving a train is a doddle compared to> driving a bus.I thought the same...until I looked into it and discovered it requires a years worth of training and extensive vettingTry downloading a sim and see how hard it is! A 12 coach train is around 480 tonnes of metal carrying at least 700 passengers, and takes about a mile to stop from 100mphCompared with a 12 tonne bus carrying 70 passengers and struggling to reach 30mph. Not belittling it, but it's comparing apples and pears.. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/52702-bus-drivers-to-strike-over-unsafe-working-practices/#findComment-809416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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