How to teach Muslims about dealing with offense

[alice]

that 'freedom of speech' is a good is fake.

it would mean the paedophile, the racist, the sexist could write the textbooks for schools.

[Robert Poste's Child]

alice Wrote:

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> that 'freedom of speech' is a good is fake.

>

> it would mean the paedophile, the racist, the

> sexist could write the textbooks for schools.

How? People can and do write what they want and, as long as it's within the law and they can get a publishing deal, it may even be read, but textbooks are largely commissioned by academic publishers to support the syllabus approved by the relevant government department or written by existing experts in their teaching fields. No school is going to adopt a random book as a textbook.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> Parkdrive Wrote:

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> > It's a very complex one though isn't it,

> because

> > muslims kill each other all the time

> >

> > And non muslims have been slaughtering each

> other

> > for decades, Northern Ireland for example,

> stupid

> > crass remark.

>

> It's not a stupid remark. My point was that the

> media likes to portray fundamentalism as a battle

> between the Islamic world and the West. I was

> simply pointing out this is not the case, that

> fundamentalism is as much a nuisance to the

> Islamic world and other muslims as it is to the

> west.

True. In Nigeria Boko Haram is mainly killing other Muslims - without wishing in any way to diminish what happened in France this week, at the same time Boko Haram killed hundreds. Today they killed something like 17 people using a 10-year-old girl as a suicide bomber, and that has nothing to do with finding cartoons offensive.

[alice]

oh i don't know - we've got 'free' schools remember [another fake] - they choose their own curriculum

[response to rpc12.05 post]

but thats sidetracking...

[Robert Poste's Child]

That's ridiculous. Free schools still have to comply with the usual standards, they're inspected by Ofsted, their kids have to take the same public exams and they're subject to the prevailing laws of the country. And don't you think the parents might notice?

[alice]

some parents might be attracted by a narrow curriculum that boosts exam success.

but thats not my point

[Charles Martel]

Mick Mac Wrote:

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> Putting religion aside would Charlie have insulted

> a race in the same way and called it free speech?

http://social-justice-fire-mage.tumblr.com/post/107444852419/pm-hello-i-agree-that-no-journalist-artist

[????]

Your grandad was Volitaire RPC?

[Alan Medic]

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/unmournable-bodies

This is worth a read.

[Robert Poste's Child]

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> Your grandad was Volitaire RPC?

I did say quoted... He was good at quotes, as at many other things.

I believe it was actually Voltaire's biographer, but hey ho.

[????]

It was in French too :)

[Robert Poste's Child]

Was it? I thought she was English, but it was probably printed in both languages.

This is a headily intellectual conversation for someone who's still on the first cup of tea of the day.

[reggie]

Alan Medic Wrote:

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> http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/

> unmournable-bodies

>

> This is worth a read.

good link

[Otta]

alice Wrote:

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> oh i don't know - we've got 'free' schools

> remember - they choose their own curriculum

Robert Poste's Child Wrote:

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> That's ridiculous. Free schools still have to

> comply with the usual standards, they're inspected

> by Ofsted, their kids have to take the same public

> exams and they're subject to the prevailing laws

> of the country. And don't you think the parents

> might notice?

I don't think it's quite as ridiculous as you make out.

[Robert Poste's Child]

Do you have a scenario in mind, Otta?

[oneearth121]

i am 60 years old and have been told and bought up by my parents teaching me always to respect others and others feelings (respect and be respected ) and have always been told that Freedom comes with Responsibility.........have i been bought up and told wrong ???

[legalbeagle]

oneearth - no I personally don't think you have. I'd prefer we didn't insult each other at all - but I suspect that's not a realistic hope.......

[JohnL]

Yes - when it's personal - why make a single person feel bad ?

Religions etc are always subject to scrutiny and mocking - somebody has to do this or everything is accepted as absolute and the question is, is the public able to cope with it - or should it be done on our behalf by our betters.

oneearth121 Wrote:

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> i am 60 years old and have been told and bought up

> by my parents teaching me always to respect others

> and others feelings (respect and be respected )

> and have always been told that Freedom comes with

> Responsibility.........have i been bought up and

> told wrong ???

[oneearth121]

many single persons make the world...i have nothing against discussion or scrutiny i think its very good and very important in life But do you think life would be much more nicer if all of us did it with some respect for others.

[ernesto]

maybe this is the time for not doing anything

our attempts at doing things have not exactly worked out too well

[LadyDeliah]

MI5 are already asking for increased powers.

Doing nothing never seems to be the response.

[JohnL]

oneearth121 Wrote:

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> many single persons make the world...i have

> nothing against discussion or scrutiny i think

> its very good and very important in life But do

> you think life would be much more nicer if all of

> us did it with some respect for others.

Yes - but someone will then take advantage and continually draw boundaries

not in the middle but 3/4 along - then repeat.

[JohnL]

Observer journalist on Sky now talking about how UK media has capitulated out of fear

Says they need to face fear first to make baby step forward

[ernesto]

LadyDeliah Wrote:

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> MI5 are already asking for increased powers.

>

> Doing nothing never seems to be the response.

No govenment department ever requests less powers and resources

[ernesto]

JohnL Wrote:

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> Observer journalist on Sky now talking about how

> UK media has capitulated out of fear

>

> Says they need to face fear first to make baby

> step forward

more emotive & possibly shit stirring terminology - capitulation/ heroes/ cowards/ ad nauseum - none of this helps & ( broken record) doesnt to get to the nub of the problem.