20 mph!!!

[Loz]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> Your point (4): In the links I've posted. My case

> is rested and you are entitled to your opinion.

Well, considering your links did not back up your assertion that "20mph seems to be the equilibrium in terms of cost/benefit" with any actual evidence, the only real conclusion is that you are, indeed, talking out your bottom.

[keekybreeks]

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[Lowlander]

Loz Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Your point (4): In the links I've posted. My

> case

> > is rested and you are entitled to your opinion.

>

> Well, considering your links did not back up your

> assertion that "20mph seems to be the equilibrium

> in terms of cost/benefit" with any actual

> evidence, the only real conclusion is that you

> are, indeed, talking out your bottom.

If that's your view, you're entitled to it. But resorting to insults is a bit childish, you could try a little harder to articulate your side of the argument.

Exactly the sort of response I'd expect from a wannabe boy racer in his 1.1 Astra and cheap tinted glass, really.

[Loz]

Lowlander Wrote:

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> If that's your view, you're entitled to it. But resorting to insults is a bit childish, you could

> try a little harder to articulate your side of the argument.

I've not made an argument - merely asked you to back 'facts' you've asserted with some actual proof. Which you have consistently failed to do.

> Exactly the sort of response I'd expect from a wannabe boy racer in his 1.1 Astra and cheap tinted glass, really.

Because resorting to insults is a bit childish, isn't it? As it happens, I don't own a car.

[Louisa]

Wow. What happened here....

Louisa.

[hpsaucey]

Louisa Wrote:

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> Wow. What happened here....

>

> Louisa.

What happened? Reckon a verbal 'car crash' happened....

[Lowlander]

Loz Wrote:

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> Lowlander Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > If that's your view, you're entitled to it. But

> resorting to insults is a bit childish, you could

> > try a little harder to articulate your side of

> the argument.

>

> I've not made an argument - merely asked you to

> back 'facts' you've asserted with some actual

> proof. Which you have consistently failed to do.

>

>

> > Exactly the sort of response I'd expect from a

> wannabe boy racer in his 1.1 Astra and cheap

> tinted glass, really.

>

> Because resorting to insults is a bit childish,

> isn't it? As it happens, I don't own a car.

It's interesting that you don't own a car, I would have assume (wrongly it seems) that non-car owners would have been in favour of this. You learn something every day.

[JohnL]

I still maintain there are very few time savings of going fast in inner London.

I see people racing off from traffic lights then coming to a halt 10 m down the road.

We should concentrate on getting the 'red' roads running freely.

[mako]

If stopping 10m down the road they wont have reached 30 so this group is unaffected, so why spend all that money changing the limit?

[Townleygreen]

I hear the 20 mph limit was in Labour's manifesto for the Southwark election. As they got a clear majority, then it looks like they have a clear mandate to do this!

[JohnL]

mako Wrote:

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> If stopping 10m down the road they wont have

> reached 30 so this group is unaffected, so why

> spend all that money changing the limit?

When I watch from my balcony people wait at the lights

- rev loudly (especially certain types of traffic) then

accelerate off like crazy - some go well beyond 30 very

quickly (Some cars can do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds).

I know the argument is that these will not take any notice

of the 20mph anyway .. but at least try.

[BrandNewGuy]

Townleygreen Wrote:

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> I hear the 20 mph limit was in Labour's manifesto

> for the Southwark election. As they got a clear

> majority, then it looks like they have a clear

> mandate to do this!

That's the problem with manifestos. I think voters are entitled to vote for a party and subsequently argue against some of the policies they don't agree with. Otherwise we're just election fodder. I've never voted for a manifesto I agree with 100%.

[richard tudor]

Townleygreen Wrote:

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> I hear the 20 mph limit was in Labour's manifesto

> for the Southwark election. As they got a clear

> majority, then it looks like they have a clear

> mandate to do this

Correct. On page 7 /10 last para in small writing under healthy living views?

Most people would not have got past tax tax frozen.

Hence put in what you want.

[Earl Aelfheah]

JohnL Wrote:

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> I still maintain there are very few time savings

> of going fast in inner London.

> I see people racing off from traffic lights then

> coming to a halt 10 m down the road.

> We should concentrate on getting the 'red' roads

> running freely.

I completely agree with this. When on my bike you get a very different perspective. I regularly see the same car overtake me at speed half a dozen times on the same journey - without getting to their final destination any more quickly than I do (often much less quickly). Their speeding from one set of lights to the next is entirely pointless, but from their point of view, I suspect they believe they're 'saving time'. It's changed the way I drive in London - I'm much more circumspect / relaxed behind the wheel.

[Earl Aelfheah]

My issue with this 20mph limit, isn't the limit itself - but the fact that it's a lazy way of claiming that you're 'doing something' about dangerous driving. The fact is, it'll be little enforced and won't go anywhere towards targeting some of the really dangerous and irresponsible drivers I see regularly. That's not to say that it won't have any effect, it's just that it's a weak intervention.