Your right to protest

[mockney piers]

I see you're having a pop at Spain on another thread, the place is far from perfect (see GAL) but then the SAS killed more than a few unarmed terrorists themselves; those in glass houses...

[BigPhil]

Dani Behr , now that is another story alltogether ( or at least dani in her alltogether...)

Life in cartoon motion should be an anthem

[louisiana]

mockney piers Wrote:

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> I see you're having a pop at Spain on another

> thread, the place is far from perfect (see GAL)

> but then the SAS killed more than a few unarmed

> terrorists themselves; those in glass houses...

Who's in the glass house?

I wasn't 'having a pop at Spain', as you put it. I was pointing to some facts in the recent history of the guardia civil in support of my view that while the police in this country may have many shortcomings, other forces also have major shortcomings.

I know little about the SAS, but I don't believe kidnapping an industrialist (Segundo Marey) in another sovereign state (France) with the apparent authority of the minister of the interior's number two, and then not even letting him go when they realised they had completely the wrong person; or planting bombs in bars and restaurants full of innocent people in another sovereign state (France) are the kind of things they have got up to. Do correct me if I'm wrong. While several European countries have had so-called dirty wars, I believe the the British dirty war was against terrorists whereas in Spain during that period there was also extreme violence towards members of the public, the era of so-called state-sponsored terrorism.

While GAL is long gone, thank goodness, more recently some behaviour of the Basque police force does give me and others some cause for concern. There appears to be a substantial section of the force that seems to allow its private support for certain local radical political groupings to colour its whole approach to policing. This is really not serving the whole community and should not be happening. I don't know to what extent there might be any parallels here with current policing in Northern Ireland, post-RUC, though there might be - again, not something I know much about.

[macroban]

Is this referencing Operation Flavius?

[Huguenot]

I guessed it was.

I suppose it comes down to reasonable endeavours to identify and prevent a terrorist atrocity. Some people's thresholds are different to others. I don't want to see violence on either side.

Whilst I can see the 'legal' issue, they did find a bomb in Spain, these PIRA guys had form and I won't be crying any tears.

Mind you I'm a believer in thought-crime, and if it could be proven, I'd imprison people for just believing in armed struggle as a route to political influence ;-)

[mockney piers]

Sadly people wil often agree with the sentiment of Gal, but there is no place for that in the 'due process' that onvisa would have us ditch, which was my original point (i think, *casts mind back*).

Some acknowledgement regards your 'democracy' lies would be nice, people might believe you after all and worry about their holidays; leaving alone your tacit acceptance of dirty wars if they have the right person apparently...Bush would have loved you!!

[mockney piers]

"Do correct me if I'm wrong. ..I believe the the British dirty war was against terrorists whereas in Spain during that period there was also extreme violence towards members of the public, the era of so-called state-sponsored terrorism."

Lovely straw man.

Spain's war was against terrorists, unfortunately they hired fucking idiots to do it, who killed civilians. Just because the SAS are good at what they do doesn't make supra-legal murder right, just look at Israel!!

"I was pointing to some facts in the recent history"

If your going to point out historical 'facts', try and get them right rather than smear, not such a tough task.

[mockney piers]

yes i'm in a filthy mood.

And while I'm at it, I think we've all felt like that Huguenot, but down that path only this lies...

 

[Huguenot]

Exactly.

Thoughtcrime.

For those of you worrying about editing, no, no mistake.

For those of you worrying about irony, yes, yes and you knew it didn't you?

[Brendan]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/20/energy-police