Mugged by gang of boys

[Huguenot]

Dunno, Sherwick, who's guilty of what?

[Lizziedjango]

Huguenot, apologies if I have misconstrued Vince's point about ED being 'better' than Peckham and Brixton..and all the connotations that the adjective 'better' implies in this context. of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think perhaps a different adjective might have been less inflammatory in that context.

I am not accusing anyone of being 'racist'. Apologies again if that is how it sounded (I don't think it did...). I am keen to understand how ED is 'better' than its surrounding areas.

[Sherwick]

How is ED better than its surrounding areas? Let's see.

It's got some woods. It's got a nice park. It's got Horniman Museum and a wonderful gallery.

It's got a pretty good high street and a village area.

It's got a world famous and picturesque college.

It has lower crime than the surrounding areas.

It's got Beauberry House surrounded by fields.

All of this and most of it is in Zone 2.

How's that for starters?

[*Bob*]

Most of the above isn't in ED, of course.

[Lizziedjango]

LOL, *Bob* - I thought the same!

[*Bob*]

May ED has 'better surrounding areas' than Peckham.

Although that would, erm, include Peckham.

[????]

IT HAS AN SE21 POSTCODE......doesn't it?.......:-S......er, hang on a minute

[urban-fox]

I think people are missing the point of this thread!

Arguing over postcodes. About as thoughtless as the perpetrators of this assault & robbery?

Shockingly bad form.

[Sherwick]

true, sorry urban.

[*Bob*]

That is true, but what else is there to say?

I'm sure everybody's sorry to hear it happened, will be a bit more wary and most appreciate the warning etc - but we're four pages in now. The truth is that without the inevitable plunge in to postcodes/peckham/class war/organic onions - these threads would drop off the board in half a day, instead of attracting four thousand views and staying at the top.

[JetSetWilly]

don,t get me started on organic onions, bloody rip-off, as is most organic stuff.

but i agree with bob, as i pointed out in my original post, somebodys been mugged,big deal. obviously its a big deal to them, and i speak from experience but you get over it, learn from the experience and move on. we live in a big city, muggings happen, its a part of the deal with living in the smoke, and while its not acceptable, i would suggest that most people accept that it happens but hope not to them or their kin.

[KidKruger]

My Dad's bigger than your Dad..

Get you in the playground..

etc etc.....

[lenk]

Huguenot Wrote:

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> That doesn't tell you anything about ED honk, that

> just tells you what Vince thinks.

>

> I don't believe that what I think will tell you

> anything about Singapore, nor anything about

> Beijing or anywhere else I've lived.

True, I just couldn't read vince's post without reading it in a 'Margo from the Good Life' voice.

It suggests that Vince might think the denizens of all these areas Vince denounces would secretly sell their own mother for the chance to live in a Victorian semi on Curtain-twitch Lane in ED.

Somehow I doubt it.

[Huguenot]

Chuckle :))

[Sherwick]

lenk Wrote:

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> It suggests that Vince might think the denizens of

> all these areas Vince denounces would secretly

> sell their own mother for the chance to live in a

> Victorian semi on Curtain-twitch Lane in ED.

>

> Somehow I doubt it.

Well, not ED, but I'd seriously think about it for Kew.. :-S

[Domitianus]

I offer no opinion on the Arming the Populace debate (although I am sure I will get it in the neck anyway from some PC trendy wishing to be offended by everything anyone says) but I believe the general concensus amongst academic studies is that in areas of US allowing concealed carry of firearms, there has been noticable reduction in crimes of violence against the person.

Any thoughts?

[Huguenot]

Have you got the studies?

Last time I checked the US wiped the floor with the UK in crimes against the person?

[Brendan]

It's all the arming bears that they do.

[Sherwick]

This must be the highly acclaimed study conducted by the NRA.

[SeanMacGabhann]

Note also the obligatory defensive qualification

combining attack with defense

[Domitianus]

Such silly responses. Firstly Huegenot, the comparison was not with another country - it was an examination of trends over time in the same locale I believe. Sherwick, I assume that is meant to be tongue-in-cheek but it is interesting that any evidence of crime patterns that does not fit a PC agenda is automatically assumed to have come from a right-wing interested lobby group.

I will certainly post to the evidence online.

[Huguenot]

No Domitianus, the comparison is vital to the study.

We may for example discover that in gun states crime is ten times more than the UK, and that in concealed gun states, it's only 9.5 times.

It may be that the concealment has result of a 5% reduction in crimes against the person, but if the gun itsef still raises crime by 900%, then it's a false saving.

[lenk]

Anyone fancy a house-share in Kew?

We'll need guns though.

[Domitianus]

Huegenot, you are embarrassingly wrong. In order to assess the impact of a single variable - change in legislation on concealed carry of firearms - on crime trends, it is necessary that as many other variables as possible be consistent. Comparing the US with a culturally, ethnically and geographically different region - the UK - which has a blanket ban on handguns in private hands, introduces a vast number of confounding variables into the situation.

The comparison can only realistically be made by assessing crime trends in the same locale over time, before and after legislative change.

[Sherwick]

If you can't compare the US with the UK then what's the point of stating 'in areas of US allowing concealed carry of firearms, there has been noticable reduction in crimes of violence against the person.'.

This implies that it would have the same effect in the UK. But as you just stated, one shouldn't do that.

In fact, even if your'e correct that introducing handguns led to a reduction in crimes of violence in the USA, indtroducing handguns in the UK could lead to the opposite because it is 'a culturally ethnically and geographically different region'.

Ergo, there was no reason for your initial post.