Water torture

[gallinello]

Tony Benn, mild-mannered democratic socialist, champion of just, working-class causes; are you feeling alright, TLS?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

gallinello Wrote:

Tony Benn, mild-mannered democratic socialist, champion of just, working-class causes; are you feeling alright, TLS?

Some of us have photographic, elephantine memories gallinello!

For example, when Doctor Beeching decimated The British Railways Network back in The 1960's and destroyed The Communities of many working-class people, who do you think sat right next to him at The Press Conference explaining and detailing how our Transport infra-structure was going to be wrecked?

Who do you think aided and assisted him in this and did NOT exactly "champion" the working-class cause?

Why that nice Aristocratic socialist "champion" WEDGIE!!

p.s The only line out of Grinstead that survived the axe was EAST Grinstead, which by REMARKABLE CO-INCIDENCE was Beeching's own line at the time!, the road to it is now called "Beeching Way"..

"Champion" Socialist--More "Champagne" Socialist and Hilary has followed on his proud tradition....:)-D

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Anthony Wedgewood-Benn, was born a fully-fledged aristocrat, the son of Viscount Stansgate. Sir John Benn was a Baronet before that.

He was described as an "Old Testament prophet" who "immatures with age" by Harold Wilson, while he was part of his 1964-70 Government.

He was a great supporter of that other "mild-mannered democratic socialist, champion of just, working-class causes", namely,Arthur Scargill, who tried to bring down The Country, at the time...:)

[gallinello]

I will contact him on this one; his responses, unlike yours, TLS, are normally clear, concise and rational.

I couldn't possibly respond to this alleged "wrecking" and destruction of working class communities through station closures.

It's obviously something that had a deep effect on you and your elephantine memory, leading to hateful thoughts and murderous images of pain and torture for the alleged perpetrator.

Therapy time for you, me ol' TLS!

The sun is shining, have a nice day.

[????]

Tony Benn was a significant factor in the destruction of Labour as an electable party and rise of thatcherism

[Tony.London Suburbs]

gallinello Wrote:

I will contact him on this one; his responses, unlike yours, TLS, are normally clear, concise and rational.

TLS:If are having difficulty comprehending either of my 2 postings regarding The Horrible Gentleman, then allow me to elaborate.

Which part of the above do you fail to understand gallinello?

gallinello: I couldn't possibly respond to this alleged "wrecking" and destruction of working class communities through station closures. It's obviously something that had a deep effect on you and your elephantine memory, leading to

hateful thoughts and murderous images of pain and torture for the alleged perpetrator.

TLS:If you were a member of one of the Communities in, say. Cornwall, that suddenly became "detached" then your attitude might be somewhat different I would expect. As it did NOT, presumably, affect you adversely then "sod 'em!" eh! galli?

What an altruistic socialist view...

Seems like the sun you mentioned, shines out of this Politician's posteria....B)

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Actually the more I converse and interact with socialists, the more I realise I might be the true socialist...

[Dulwich Born And Bred]

If I was tortured I would confess to everything and anything just to make it stop! I guess my information would be absolutely reliable eh?

[Tony.London Suburbs]

Whats this got to do with Tony Benn?::o

[Atila Reincarnate]

jimmy two times Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> I reckon they'd be queuing up to be quite honest.

> Anyway, I have made my position clear. It is as

> follows:

> 1.Death penalty for Sadistic murderers who are

> done bang to rights

> 2. Chemical castration for Paedophiles

> 3. Torture to extract valuable information from

> terrorists

> 4. Corporal punishment and /or torture for

> hardcore drug dealers

> 5. All the above for Arsenal fans and cyclists who

> mount pavements.

You've just over reached yourself, careful you don't have people accusing you of placing spittle flecked rants on here and saying that you are a far right supremacist taking on vigilante duties in your spare time.

[woofmarkthedog]

legalbeagle Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> It is called R v Brown and others. A group of

> consenting adults was caught (don't know how)

> doing various violent things to each others

> private parts. They had a password, so that they

> could yell out in pain, but the activity would

> carry on, but if they yelled the password it would

> stop. Various people in the party were charged

> with assault type charges (to be fair, not sure if

> anyone was actually charged with torture). The

> question up for consideration was whether a person

> can legally consent to that kind of assault - if

> they could it wouldn't be an assault. It was found

> that they could, but the poor chaps in question

> were still convicted - of offending public morals.

> Not sure what that adds to the debate really but

> when studing the case I had a jolly good chuckle

> at reading various barristers terribly serious

> submissions to the court of appeal about the true

> nature of nailing genitals to a plank.....

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

L.E

Was this the case where various men consented to scalding/electrocuting and inflating each others scrotums.

In a private club, as you do ?

W**F

[*Bob*]

Atila Reincarnate Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> You've just over reached yourself, careful you

> don't have people accusing you of placing spittle

> flecked rants on here and saying that you are a

> far right supremacist taking on vigilante duties

> in your spare time.

Come on Mr A.. without wishing to labour a previously made point, the spittleranting element wasn't in the content itself, it was in the presentation.. ie shouting F**K every other word and topping it off with a C**T. Fair enough?

[rgutsell]

Hi all

I am replying to the views expressed about drug users and dealers by some on this thread; i e that they are so heinous that they deserve to be water boarded, or Police should be alowed to treat them violently.

I have actually worked in drug and alochol rehabilition for 16 years, and I have still to meet an evil person. I have, however, met many people who have done terrible things, to themselves as well as others. Above all, everyone I have met has been someone trying to do their best, albeit badly.

Be sure of this; Dulwich has many dealers and users. There is a view that Cannabis is not really "drugs" and that buying and selling on, (at for example a festival) is harmless. (and therefore OK, which it is not!) One of the more interesting and humorus things I have often come across, is that in the community of dealers and users, there is a lot of snobbery; cannabis users at festivals won't see themselves as problem users, but see heroin users as the pits. Crack users, look down on heroin users. Everyone looks down on glue sniffers, and so on. Generalisations I know, and questionable, but very common.

Drug and alcohol misuse is endemic at all levels in our society; no one deserves to be judged as evil, and no one deserves to be tortured.

[legalbeagle]

woofmarkthedog Wrote:

-------------------------------------------------------

> legalbeagle Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > It is called R v Brown and others. A group of

> > consenting adults was caught (don't know how)

> > doing various violent things to each others

> > private parts. They had a password, so that

> they

> > could yell out in pain, but the activity would

> > carry on, but if they yelled the password it

> would

> > stop. Various people in the party were charged

> > with assault type charges (to be fair, not sure

> if

> > anyone was actually charged with torture). The

> > question up for consideration was whether a

> person

> > can legally consent to that kind of assault -

> if

> > they could it wouldn't be an assault. It was

> found

> > that they could, but the poor chaps in question

> > were still convicted - of offending public

> morals.

> > Not sure what that adds to the debate really

> but

> > when studing the case I had a jolly good

> chuckle

> > at reading various barristers terribly serious

> > submissions to the court of appeal about the

> true

> > nature of nailing genitals to a plank.....

>

> --------------------------------------------------

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

>

> L.E

>

> Was this the case where various men consented to

> scalding/electrocuting and inflating each others

> scrotums.

>

> In a private club, as you do ?

>

> W**F

Indeed it is. Though being a girl I wouldn't know for sure what men do in private clubs.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

rgutsell Wrote:

no one deserves to be judged as evil, and no one deserves to be tortured.

Oh! I don't know, though.

Only last week a work colleague of my friend was in Court after her "evil" heroin addict Partner disappearred with a Woman he met at Re-hab(!). He used to steal all the kids "toy" money, while she did 3 jobs to keep them afloat.

This time she flipped and put her nails deep into his face when she found him with her. Thats after she battered her and put her fingers in his nose and spread his nose as far across his face as much as she could.

Thanks to our Legal System, it was only her 2nd recent offence ( she ran over a Guy who she had a disagreement with and then ran over him again, in case she missed any of his bits the first time) and was fined......?125..lol

She was driven to this by her heroin-addicted Partner though...

[SimonM]

>>For example, when Doctor Beeching decimated The British Railways Network back in The 1960's and destroyed The Communities of many working-class people, who do you think sat right next to him at The Press Conference explaining and detailing how our Transport infra-structure was going to be wrecked?

Who do you think aided and assisted him in this and did NOT exactly "champion" the working-class cause?

Why that nice Aristocratic socialist "champion" WEDGIE!!<<<

There's probably a few things that can be laid at Benn's door, but blaming him for any sort of substantial role in the Beeching Axe is pretty bizarre. It was not his decision to renege on the manifesto promise to halt the line closures - he was onlt a junior minister after all - and the whole Beeching thing had started several years previously. And using a quote by Harold Wilson, of all people, against him strikes me as being fairly counter-productive.

[Tony.London Suburbs]

SimonM Wrote:

...was onlt a junior minister after all - and the whole Beeching thing had started several years previously. And using a quote by Harold Wilson, of all people, against him strikes me as being fairly

Guilty by association ( in both cases):-$

He was just building his own career then so b+gger the people and the manifesto. He was going places and did not want this "cause" to shackle him.

Viscount Wedgie-Man of the People Dem.