Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven

[KidKruger]

"I think there is a lot we do not know and will never know about why we are here on earth"

We're here by fluke, just like all beings and the earth itself.

There is no 'why' because there is no reason. It's an emotional dependency to think there's some grand design to our existence.

[Otta]

Remembered I have a mobile.

Full love letters to Dawkins here.

https://youtu.be/D0d6bWOKrV8

[Alan Medic]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "I think there is a lot we do not know and will

> never know about why we are here on earth"

>

> We're here by fluke, just like all beings and the

> earth itself.

>

> There is no 'why' because there is no reason.

> It's an emotional dependency to think there's some

> grand design to our existence.

That's just a theory...........a bit like religion.

[red devil]

Otta Wrote:

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> Remembered I have a mobile.

>

> Full love letters to Dawkins here.

>

> https://youtu.be/D0d6bWOKrV8

Brilliant. He'd make an excellent vicar... :)

[Salsaboy]

Or Prime Minister. Even better than Boris.

[Blah Blah]

At least if Dawkins were PM he'd stop taxayers funding faith schools that teach creationism (yes they really do exist here).

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> "I think there is a lot we do not know and will

> never know about why we are here on earth"

>

> We're here by fluke, just like all beings and the

> earth itself.

>

> There is no 'why' because there is no reason.

> It's an emotional dependency to think there's some

> grand design to our existence.

Just as determined and confident in your belief as any number of endoctrinated believers of faith around the world aren't you KK? The simple fact is we do not know. Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. You don't know and neither do I or anyone else on this planet. Even science can't tell us.

Louisa.

[Otta]

Blah Blah Wrote:

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> At least if Dawkins were PM he'd stop taxayers

> funding faith schools that teach creationism (yes

> they really do exist here).

Yep, this article is about a school in Middlesborough funded by some religious fella.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/3088444.stm

Article is from 2003. Saw a programme about this school a few years later, and they actually showed a class being told "when you do your GCSE exams you'll need to give this answer, but in actual fact THIS is what happened at the beginning of time. Fortunately most of the kids seemed to recognise that it was a load of old bollocks.

Whether you believe in God or not, how anyone can honestly believe in the creation story beggars belief.

[Otta]

red devil Wrote:

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> Otta Wrote:

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> > Remembered I have a mobile.

> >

> > Full love letters to Dawkins here.

> >

> > https://youtu.be/D0d6bWOKrV8

>

> Brilliant. He'd make an excellent vicar... :)

Ha, I know what you mean.

Atheist? More like GAYTHEIST! Brilliant.

[miga]

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> That he gets hate mail tells you everything about

> the mental state of some religious people.

There is an overlap. There are also plenty of atheist sociopaths.

Some religious people I've met are deep thinkers, and widely read - and most have at least some passing interest in philosophy. One of them pointed me to some essays about Derrida and religion, as well as much older stuff like Aquinas which in my fairly technical education I hadn't come across. They were interesting and sometimes mind bending reading, though I remain an atheist.

The benefit of Dawkins is that he attacks irrational thought and extremism in a funny and acerbic way. He doesn't half go for some low hanging fruit, though. Yeah, we get it, there are people who think humanity is 2,000 years old, and refuse to believe in the evidence of Evolution.

[KidKruger]

I'd say my beliefs are based on a reality rather than magic, ghosts and a ju-ju man in the sky !

So yeah, pretty confident.

[Louisa]

And what is reality? The only reality you know is what you've been taught and grown to accept as reality. We are only as intelligent as we perceive ourselves to be. Maybe this is it, or maybe there's a whole lot we know nothing about. I think it's far too complacent and ignorant to assume what we know as reality to be the only reality.

Louisa.

[adonirum]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Nah, best way to heaven is Bakerloo Line to

> Charing Cross, then walk down Villiers Street.

rahrahrah, I thought that had closed down and it's ex-owner was appearing on a documentary T.V. show doing a completey different job !!!!!!

[Earl Aelfheah]

I can understand believing in some sort of grand design, some divine purpose, even an afterlife (I don't myself). But organised religion is something else.

Believing (like the OP)that there is a heaven for those, and only those, who subscribe to the one true faith... This is very odd indeed and actually quite dangerous / fascistic imo.

[Louisa]

I agree with you rah. Organised religion endoctrinated many of my peers, and elders before me. I always remember Sunday school and how it annoyed me being forced to do it. My nan was strict with it too, despite being a closet gin drinker and puffing away on numerous packets of fags. Always recall going to my great uncles funeral and when we turned up at the house she looked at my younger male cousin and said "getcha bleedin 'air cut, jesus won't let you upstairs in that state". She was a bit of an old bag bless her but still, that culture of scaring a child into believing something is all done in the name of religion. Don't agree with it at all.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Louisa I'd say the words "complacent and ignorant" are more appropriate to believing in a ju-ju man in the sky, than just accepting that we're stuck on a rock in space and that in a couple of billion years it'll burn-up as it falls into the nearest expanding star.

Our atoms are like 13.4 billion years old, they're made from the same components as emitted from stars, hardly blind logic.

There's no big purpose, sorry.

If I'm mistaken please enlighten me as to the true nature of it all because clearly (you seem to be implying) I've missed something !

[phobic3000]

I'm a scientologist. And for a generous donation of your wealth you could be too. Scientology is the way to go.

[Louisa]

KK and without people having some sort of belief, what kind of world would we be living in? I world full of people who have no purpose beyond existing and then dying. Yes science tells us we are all made from the same atomic particles as every other piece of rock floating around the sky, I don't disagree with you there. But we are only using our human intelligent to interpret what evidence we have and we know little to nothing beyond our understanding of how life was created here. Our planet was by some fluke close enough to our star for life to form, but we live in a universe with billions of galaxies where that same or a similar scenario could have happened. Who created the rocks floating around in space? Why were they there in the first place? So so many questions the mind boggles. It is way beyond our comprehension to have a firm and definitive yes/no answer to such a fundamental question. You're saying with some firm belief that this is it, and everything we know from a scientific viewpoint can answer that. That surely isn't true! Religion cannot answer things and neither can science, they're both human interpretations of what we believe the evidence shows us. All I'm suggesting is keep an open mind to anything and everything.

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

What do you mean it isn't true ?!

Why not ?

Says who ?!

The rocks floating around in space - their source is known (well, the cause is).

You can do better than this surely ?

[Louisa]

And who says it is true?

Yes the cause of the rocks floating around in space had a cause, but yet again you are going on evidence produced by science (interpreted by humans) and relying on that answer being untouchable and correct. You seem very final in your response. It seems lame to me to be so sure of something one of your fellow species has told you.

Louisa.

[miga]

Louisa - is maybe what you're trying to say that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Which is the scientific/logical position. But still, the onus of proof is on the person making the claim.

[Louisa]

Absolutely miga. Science provides more evidence than religion, pointing towards nothingness beyond this life. But I personally like to keep my mind open to the possibility of more evidence coming along proving and disproving what we already know. That evidence isn't around currently, but maybe it will be in the future. If not, we go back to dust and as? es la vida!

Louisa.

[KidKruger]

Louisa i don't believe ju-ju man stories.

I don't really care what the truth is, unless it's gonna impact my / family's remaining days adversely.

Loving humanity's ego trip.

There's nowt, so get on with yer day as they'll soon all be used-up.

[JohnL]

Maybe we're in a (rather s**t) simulation.

http://www.space.com/30124-is-our-universe-a-fake.html

Then again you can only play what seems to be in front of you.

So sometimes you just have to dismiss an argument as it goes

nowhere.

[Louisa]

KidKruger Wrote:

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> Loving humanity's ego trip.

> There's nowt, so get on with yer day as they'll

> soon all be used-up.

Oh the delicious irony KK!

Louisa.