former East Dulwich councillor - how can I help?

[Penguin68]

No one is asking for the pub to be closed - just for it to be respectful towards its neighbours.

One possible outcome of a licence review is that it is withdrawn.

[Socrates31]

Penguin68 Wrote:

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> No one is asking for the pub to be closed - just

> for it to be respectful towards its neighbours.

>

> One possible outcome of a licence review is that

> it is withdrawn.

So then perhaps if the pub made an effort to be respectful towards its neighbours then this wouldn't be an outcome.

[rendelharris]

Socrates31 Wrote:

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> Penguin68 Wrote:

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> > No one is asking for the pub to be closed -

> just

> > for it to be respectful towards its neighbours.

>

> >

> > One possible outcome of a licence review is

> that

> > it is withdrawn.

>

>

> So then perhaps if the pub made an effort to be

> respectful towards its neighbours then this

> wouldn't be an outcome.

So in other words you do want the pub closed unless it does what you want - though you haven't actually said what it is you want.

[Socrates31]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Socrates31 Wrote:

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> > Penguin68 Wrote:

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> > > No one is asking for the pub to be closed -

> > just

> > > for it to be respectful towards its

> neighbours.

> >

> > >

> > > One possible outcome of a licence review is

> > that

> > > it is withdrawn.

> >

> >

> > So then perhaps if the pub made an effort to be

> > respectful towards its neighbours then this

> > wouldn't be an outcome.

>

> So in other words you do want the pub closed

> unless it does what you want - though you haven't

> actually said what it is you want.

No not at all, (believe it or not I feel they are an important part of the community).

My issues are only around the noise that is caused which would be considered as 'statutory nuisance'.

I don't want to get into a detailed, critical debate as this is a heated topic that always comes up on the forum.

All I want is for the pub and its neighbours to all get along!

[rendelharris]

Well, it seems a bit much to me to be traducing the reputation of an establishment and calling for action which could very well put its licence at risk without being prepared to give details of your reasons for so doing. Perhaps, as you're not prepared to do so, it would be better to put your concerns to local councillors via private message rather than doing down the Cherry Tree's reputation on a public forum without saying what they're, in your opinion, supposed to have done wrong.

[Socrates31]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Well, it seems a bit much to me to be traducing

> the reputation of an establishment and calling for

> action which could very well put its licence at

> risk without being prepared to give details of

> your reasons for so doing. Perhaps, as you're not

> prepared to do so, it would be better to put your

> concerns to local councillors via private message

> rather than doing down the Cherry Tree's

> reputation on a public forum without saying what

> they're, in your opinion, supposed to have done

> wrong.

I think the comments - publicly available online via the planning application, clearly detail the issues that the local residents have. I'm not sure what more information you need?

[James Barber]

jocher Wrote:

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> I am querying a blue notice that has been posted

> around Peckham Rye Park regarding a planning

> application for a Fair. There appears to be no

> app. no. I have searched Southwark planning and

> nothing seems to relate to it. I have e mailed

> Southwark planning with the details and a picture.

> As yet no reply. I hope you can help.

I've been told the following regarding this event with up to 8,000 attendees:

"Dear Cllr Barber,

Thank you for your email.

We have received an application from an event production company called ?We Are The Fair? who wish to hold an event in Peckham Rye Park in May 2018. Further details are set out below for you:

Event name: Gala

Event description: An independent music, culture and arts festival

Event dates: Sunday 27 and Monday 28 May 2018

Event timings: 11am to 10:30pm (both days)

Event build: Wednesday 23 May to Saturday 26 May

Event De-rig: Tuesday 29th May to Thursday 31st May

Venue capacity: 8,000

Admission: This is a fully ticketed event

Use of Peckham Rye Park for this event is subject to a Premises Licence application and granted approval and the Blue notices that you have mentioned form a part of the application process. There is a 28 day consultation period and the opportunity to make representations for, or against the Licence closes on the 20th December. Please follow the link to the application here: http://app.southwark.gov.uk/licensing/LicPremisesAppliedResults.asp?TypeDesc=Premises%20Licence&RegisterType=LPA&CaseNumber=&TradingName=&ApplicantName=We+Are+The+Fair&StreetName=%25&PostCode=%25&Ward=&batch=5

For your information, an engagement meeting between the event organisers and local stakeholders took place last Thursday and I can let you have more detail about this if you require.

Best wishes, "

[rendelharris]

Socrates31 Wrote:

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> rendelharris Wrote:

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> > Well, it seems a bit much to me to be traducing

> > the reputation of an establishment and calling

> for

> > action which could very well put its licence at

> > risk without being prepared to give details of

> > your reasons for so doing. Perhaps, as you're

> not

> > prepared to do so, it would be better to put

> your

> > concerns to local councillors via private

> message

> > rather than doing down the Cherry Tree's

> > reputation on a public forum without saying

> what

> > they're, in your opinion, supposed to have done

> > wrong.

>

>

> I think the comments - publicly available online

> via the planning application, clearly detail the

> issues that the local residents have. I'm not sure

> what more information you need?

They mainly detail why people think the hostel would be a bad idea, something with which I'm in broad agreement. The other complaints seem to be a) not shutting the garden at 10pm - something I've never seen happen in thirty odd visits this year and b) the behaviour of patrons (if they are patrons, it's all too easy to see bad behaviour near a pub and assume they've come from the pub, rather than having just got off the train or bus or been drinking in the park) after closing time. I've never been quite clear as to what a pub is supposed to do about this, send out behaviour monitors? Antisocial behaviour in public places is a matter for the police. Not, as stated above, that I've observed such behaviour despite living nearby and being regularly in the vicinity at closing time.

[Socrates31]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> Socrates31 Wrote:

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> > rendelharris Wrote:

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> > -----

> > > Well, it seems a bit much to me to be

> traducing

> > > the reputation of an establishment and

> calling

> > for

> > > action which could very well put its licence

> at

> > > risk without being prepared to give details

> of

> > > your reasons for so doing. Perhaps, as

> you're

> > not

> > > prepared to do so, it would be better to put

> > your

> > > concerns to local councillors via private

> > message

> > > rather than doing down the Cherry Tree's

> > > reputation on a public forum without saying

> > what

> > > they're, in your opinion, supposed to have

> done

> > > wrong.

> >

> >

> > I think the comments - publicly available

> online

> > via the planning application, clearly detail

> the

> > issues that the local residents have. I'm not

> sure

> > what more information you need?

>

> They mainly detail why people think the hostel

> would be a bad idea, something with which I'm in

> broad agreement. The other complaints seem to be

> a) not shutting the garden at 10pm - something

> I've never seen happen in thirty odd visits this

> year and b) the behaviour of patrons (if they are

> patrons, it's all too easy to see bad behaviour

> near a pub and assume they've come from the pub,

> rather than having just got off the train or bus

> or been drinking in the park) after closing time.

> I've never been quite clear as to what a pub is

> supposed to do about this, send out behaviour

> monitors? Antisocial behaviour in public places

> is a matter for the police. Not, as stated above,

> that I've observed such behaviour despite living

> nearby and being regularly in the vicinity at

> closing time.

You detail that you have been in the pub maybe 30 times at closing time over the course of the year?

So the other 93% of days (335 days of the year) when you are not there, how do you know what the situation is with noise and not closing the garden. I don't feel this is a representative example?

[rendelharris]

Socrates31 Wrote:

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> You detail that you have been in the pub maybe 30

> times at closing time over the course of the

> year?

>

> So the other 93% of days (335 days of the year)

> when you are not there, how do you know what the

> situation is with noise and not closing the

> garden. I don't feel this is a representative

> example?

Really? You don't think going into an establishment thirty odd times in a row without ever seeing the behaviour complained of demonstrates anything? Righty-ho, I think I'll leave you to it. I'm obviously very lucky, or maybe my naturally authoritative schoolmasterly demeanour makes everyone behave!

[Socrates31]

rendelharris Wrote:

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> > You detail that you have been in the pub maybe

> 30

> > times at closing time over the course of the

> > year?

> >

> > So the other 93% of days (335 days of the year)

> > when you are not there, how do you know what

> the

> > situation is with noise and not closing the

> > garden. I don't feel this is a representative

> > example?

>

> Really? You don't think going into an

> establishment thirty odd times in a row without

> ever seeing the behaviour complained of

> demonstrates anything? Righty-ho, I think I'll

> leave you to it. I'm obviously very lucky, or

> maybe my naturally authoritative schoolmasterly

> demeanour makes everyone behave!

Rendelharris,

Let us, in the spirit of Christmas and trying to be neighbourly in a small community respectfully agree to disagree.

Merry Christmas and I would encourage you to attend the Cherry Tree more so your naturally authoritative schoolmasterly demeanour makes everyone behave!

[rendelharris]

Happy Christmas to you too and I shall keep my carol singing on the way home to In the Bleak Midwinter rather than Ding Dong Merrily!

[James Barber]

Dear Scorates31 and rendelharris,

Chuffed to see you agree to disagree with each other. And Happy Christmas to you both.

Best wishes, James.

[Everett_Rob]

happy Christmas to everyone!

[Purple]

Hi James

I was wondering if you could give me some advice about a planning application urgently?

Many thanks

[James Barber]

Sure Purple - please email me on [email protected] with your number and a brief outline of the problem and I'll try calling you this evening around 6pm if that works or at another time you specify.

[TE44]

Hi James, could you possibly put up a link of the meetings for the Grve Tavern public meetung held in October i cannot fund it anywhere. As you are probably aware, there is great concern for the homeless man who has been living there especially after the fire. I would realy appreciate what the outcome was of the public meeting and what action if any is being taken by Southwark council. Thank you.

[undergran]

The report of the meeting is on the EDF thread "Re: Grove Tavern." It is In College Ward and one of the .College councillors was at the meeting.

[TE44]

Thanks Uncle Glen and rch. I am hoping will be informed of dates for January meeting. Thank you.

[nxjen]

The meeting in November was organised by the Dulwich Society. Here is a link to their report on the meeting http://dulwichsociety.com/news/1566-the-future-of-the-grove-tavern

[jeanne]

Do you know who I can complain to re rubbish collection at Southwark Council please?

[James Barber]

Hi Jeanne,

Southwark Council have decided to move online and not accept problems and issues by telephone.

The online form - https://forms.southwark.gov.uk/showform.asp

During Christmas and New Year collection dates have changed. After Christmas they're two days later than normal and after New Year a day later than normal and return tot normal from next Monday.

If your compliant is about a collection issue such as rubbish being strewn around the area then please email me with the details at [email protected]

[KalamityKel]

Hi James,

Wondering whether you can help. I've already logged this via the Southwark reporting thingamy but never sure how successful such a route is...

The Curry Cabin is getting progressively worse with it's waste management that it's getting completely ridiculous now.

Over the past couple of weeks they have been leaving the huge rubbish bins on the pavement at the rear of their property on Chesterfield Grove. The rubbish in the bins have been piled to extreme levels and now this morning at least 20+ blacks bags have been left on the pavement (see pictures attached). It could be argued that the bags are not theirs but on closer inspection the bags have food containers inside and other items they use.

I'm sure you'll agree this is not acceptable.

Not only is this blocking the pavement to pedestrians there are also huge concerns for health/environment. Much of the time bags are kept within their own property (piled up high) for long periods of time. Not only is the stench from the rotting waste vile it's attracting vermin and also any liquid waste leaks out on to the pavement.

This latest action is horrible.

It would certainly seem they are failing to act as a responsible business.

ETA: the pictures were taken early this morning and the rubbish is still there now.

[Abe_froeman]

That is appalling and would certainly put me off wanting to eat anything from a restaurant next to it!

[James Barber]

Hi KK,

Those pictures show extreme dumping.

I had reported twice over the holiday periods the Curry Cabin Eurobin being left on the pavement. But these what must be 50 black bins bags of rubbish are a different order of magnitude.

I have asked council officers to sort this out and take enforcement action against whoever dumped these bags there.